Kole Tang dieing

[dawgface]

He looked great, he'd been there for three weeks. I made them feed him in front of me which he readily accepted both chalepra and PC Mysis. We was however somewhat difficult to catch but he was a decent sized tang, considering his size IMO he was caught quick enough and with far less fighting than I expected.

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Smallblock;638186 wrote: yeah thats not a great way to acclimate something like a tang, plus never ever put anyone elses water in your tank... Get a special container they are not expensive and a small air line with a valve. Usually you can get a kit. May have been the cause especially with a picky fish like a tang. Dont beat yourself up though!!!!

Edit: I may have misread you when I said that about the water adding.

Yea, I poured the water into a bucket over a net and then placed him in my tank. So the only water that could of transfered into my tank would have been the small amount that may have leaked while he was still in the bag.

 

[miami dolfan]

It could have been anything. Sometimes when they're caught in the wild, the way they were caught could affect their internal organs way after they've been moved from place to place. Not to say that this is what happened with yours.

 

[dawgface]

Smallblock;638186 wrote: yeah thats not a great way to acclimate something like a tang, plus never ever put anyone elses water in your tank... Get a special container they are not expensive and a small air line with a valve. Usually you can get a kit. May have been the cause especially with a picky fish like a tang. Dont beat yourself up though!!!!

Edit: I may have misread you when I said that about the water adding.

What is the proper way to acclimate a tang? I want tangs bad!!! but am beginning to think they are not the fish for me.

 

[smallblock]

The way I do it float the bag for a few mins to get the temp up inside the bag, I have a small specimen container I pour the bags water as little as possible thats safe for the fish, then I do a siphon drip into the container, after 20 mins I will dip some of the water out of the container and trash it. After about another 20 mins I will catch the fish with a net and place him in the tank.

Edit: This way there is a set speed at which the fish is acclimated. No pouring in a little bit or anything sudden for the fish. If you got it in a LFS it was problaby the rapid change in salinity that got him, MAYBE. LFS keep lower salinity than we do usually. Next time check the temp and Salinity in the bag and see how different it is to your setup.

 

[dawgface]

Smallblock;638193 wrote: The way I do it float the bag for a few mins to get the temp up inside the bag, I have a small specimen container I pour the bags water as little as possible thats safe for the fish, then I do a siphon drip into the container, after 20 mins I will dip some of the water out of the container and trash it. After about another 20 mins I will catch the fish with a net and place him in the tank.

Edit: This way there is a set speed at which the fish is acclimated. No pouring in a little bit or anything sudden for the fish. If you got it in a LFS it was problaby the rapid change in salinity that got him, MAYBE. LFS keep lower salinity than we do usually. Next time check the temp and Salinity in the bag and see how different it is to your setup.

Yea I know both LFS I buy fish from keep their salinity at 1.014 while mine is at 1.025. How do you combat that?

 

[crewdawg1981]

You do the drip acclimation method... you can find directions on exactly how to do it on a site like liveaquaria.com.

Honestly... dont think it was the change in salinity though. I've had success with the temp acclimate, net and toss in method as much as the drip acclimate method. Dripping is better on and for the fish.

 

[smallblock]

with a long drip acclimation. Its the only way to do it IMO. With a gradual drip the fish can get used to it, Most likely he just got shocked with it and couldnt come back. Check out my build thread and you will see me acclimating something I believe

Edit: Sorry this happend man but thats the cause of it IMO, Dont get down about it just learn from it and get back in the saddle. Tangs are great once they get settled in. I love em just wish I had a lil bigger tank.

 

[dawgface]

With a fish so finiky do you think it's worth the risk of QT? I seems to me I have a better chance of getting this right once than trying to do it twice by QT and they introducing it in to the DT. The only reason I have a QT to begin with is that it is my old 72 that I transferref everything over. I decided to use it as a QT until I sell it. I may just tear it down and skip this possible stressful process on the fish.

 

[smallblock]

thats debatable, I really dont have the space of money for it so I will let someone else tackle that one. Alot of people do QT and alot of people don't.

 

[dawgface]

BTW thank you for the advice and response.... At the end of the day I may try another Tang, we'll see.

 

[smallblock]

no problem my man, hope it helped you out.

 

[cr500_af]

I wouldn't view the QT as adding a second stressful acclimation. If you keep your QT and DT at the same SG/pH/temp (easy to do) then it's not a significant stress on the fish IMO.

As to whether or not to keep the QT... think about the fun you'd be having if the tang had come down with a bad case of ich once it was in the DT.

 

[rasbora]

Smallblock;638193 wrote: LFS keep lower salinity than we do usually. Next time check the temp and Salinity in the bag and see how different it is to your setup.

Just curious do you know why they keep a lower salinity? New to sw so still learning here.

 

[smallblock]

they say it cuts down on disease, also its got to be cheaper

 

[phil47952]

I think "cheaper" is the real reason........:sad:

 

[jennm]

1.014 is *really* low I keep mine at about 1.022-1.023 (FO, reefs are higher).

Hard to say what happened but that's a big change in SG for sure, even with a slow acclimation.

Jenn

 

[dawgface]

cr500_af;638246 wrote: I wouldn't view the QT as adding a second stressful acclimation. If you keep your QT and DT at the same SG/pH/temp (easy to do) then it's not a significant stress on the fish IMO.

As to whether or not to keep the QT... think about the fun you'd be having if the tang had come down with a bad case of ich once it was in the DT</em>.

<span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: Verdana">I'm a little confused by this, I always thought unless you run a significant UV, ICH is always present in the system. ICH rears its ugly head when the fish become stressed and due to that stress their immune system suffers making them susceptible to ICH. Having said that, does it matter if one fish contracts ICH? The rest shouldn't be susceptible if the originator only contracted it due to acclimation stress right?</span></span>

<span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: Verdana"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: Verdana">I know that this has a lot of specific hypothetical&#8217;s. For this specific instance let's assume these are all correct.</span></span>
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[crewdawg1981]

Technically... once one fish has it... ALL the other fish in the same system are exposed. If they arent 100% healthy or stressed in any way... they are susceptible. So if your Kole tang had been in the display, the ich could have spread to other members of the tank.

I've heard two theories on Ich and whether or not its always present in a system or not. I know that my tanks have been ich free for 5 years and then my hippo tang caught ich a month or so ago. I know its because he's stressed about his temporary living environment. However, even though he got a bad case (which I fed him extra for and he has fully recovered), none of the other three fish in the sump with him caught it.

 

[ralph atl]

DawgFace;638378 wrote: <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: Verdana">I'm a little confused by this, I always thought unless you run a significant UV, ICH is always present in the system. ICH rears its ugly head when the fish become stressed and due to that stress their immune system suffers making them acceptable to ICH. Having said that, does it matter if one fish contracts ICH? The rest shouldn't be susceptible if the originator only contracted it due to acclimation stress right?</span></span>
<span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: Verdana"></span></span>
<span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: Verdana"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: Verdana">I know that this has a lot of specific hypothetical’s. For this specific instance let's assume these are all correct.</span></span>
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ICH isn't always present in a tank...it has to be introduced first...then, if you cure your fish from whatever method, copper, hypo, meds, Ect...it's gone..as long as u make sure it's gone as opposed to just letting your fish fight it off..

 

[dawgface]

mysterybox;638384 wrote: ICH isn't always present in a tank...it has to be introduced first...then, if you cure your fish from whatever method, copper, hypo, meds, Ect...it's gone..as long as u make sure it's gone as opposed to just letting your fish fight it off..

<span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: Verdana">So even though the originator of the ICH is gone, I still should treat the Cleaner Wrasse and the QT to eradicate the ICH? Keep in mind the Cleaner Wrasse is showing no signs of stress or ICH.</span></span>