Nems and iodine/iodide supplements

[slickwill613]

I'll start by saying that I have done my research, I know a lot of people are against nems in nanos. My tank is a few days shy of a year old, and since I lost two fish ( one jumper and one to a power head ) and was left with a lone clown I've been looking into a BTA, and calling it a day on livestock. I lost a lot of coral late last year to a bad fight with GHAdue to over stocking/feeding. Today I saw a beautiful speckled GBTA and hopped on it. I have stable params and more than adequate lighting ( AI nano over a bc14 ) but at the store the sales guy recommended supplementing with iodine/dide, I've read that they need this but was wondering if my 20-25 per cent weekly WC is enough or would it benefit from being supplemented? Really a great looking nem, couldn't pass it up. Here's an iphone pic under too blue lights that makes it look invisible.

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[slickwill613]

Meant to add that I'm going to cover the wet side of my mp10 with a layer of old pantyhose to avoid nem soup.

 

[rdnelson]

I see no reason not to have one in your nano. I saw one in with a pair of $5000 clowns in like a 2 gal tank at one of our best LFS. The key is good up keep. I would not add those supplements myself. Water changes should be enough.


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[slickwill613]

rdnelson99;852639 wrote: I see no reason not to have one in your nano. I saw one in with a pair of $5000 clowns in like a 2 gal tank at one of our best LFS. The key is good up keep. I would not add those supplements myself. Water changes should be enough.


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Thanks, that's what I was hoping. Upkeep won't be an issue, neither would the supplements if needed. Just looking for some advice from someone with experience keeping one.

 

[rdnelson]

Mine does fine with nothing but water changes and a little food.


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[slickwill613]

Cool, I've been thinking about the food. I think the mash I feed the fish is too finely ground, was thinking of getting table shrimp and cutting to size.

Edit: I'll add this in tank photo. Same lighting, same iPhone but used the flash.

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[rdnelson]

I used to feed it silversides now and again but now it just gets why the fish get.


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[spiderman097]

I target feed every couple of days, and it makes me feel good to watch it eat

 

[picoreefguy]

Just FYI never dose iodine it's toxic. That's why they use it to clean your skin before surgery or a shot. It's iodide that you would dose if needed or desired

 

[slickwill613]

Picoreefguy;852759 wrote: Just FYI never dose iodine it's toxic. That's why they use it to clean your skin before surgery or a shot. It's iodide that you would dose if needed or desired

Thanks. I'll remember that.


Hmm, I hope the nem doesn't mind the Clorox dosing.

 

[kirkwood]

considering you're low bioload I could imagine target feeding helping the nem. But if the clown is hosting the nem wouldn't it do the work for you to make sure the nem is fed adequately?

In the nano i would be very careful feeding frozen food that can make your water dirtly quickly. I have use Elos pellets and with a syringe spot fed the nem. They are a much cleaner food than frozen, no phosphates and your clown will love it. Eventually I would expect the clown to deliver the pellets to the nem all by himself.

Edit: as for iodide, Seachem makes a very good product on their Aquavitro line - Vibrance. It comes with a dropper to manage your dosing at a very fine level. But I will defer to someone else to advise on whether it is needed. One bottle would probably last you a lifetime.

 

[slickwill613]

Kirkwood;852833 wrote: considering you're low bioload I could imagine target feeding helping the nem. But if the clown is hosting the nem wouldn't it do the work for you to make sure the nem is fed adequately?

In the nano i would be very careful feeding frozen food that can make your water dirtly quickly. I have use Elos pellets and with a syringe spot fed the nem. They are a much cleaner food than frozen, no phosphates and your clown will love it. Eventually I would expect the clown to deliver the pellets to the nem all by himself.

Edit: as for iodide, Seachem makes a very good product on their Aquavitro line - Vibrance. It comes with a dropper to manage your dosing at a very fine level. But I will defer to someone else to advise on whether it is needed. One bottle would probably last you a lifetime.

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Thanks. I mostly feed pellets, the clown gets a mix of rods clops and some fresh seafood I put through a food processor about once a week. The clown hasn't even taken notice of the nem yet so I imagine target feeding will be needed.

I was exited to get home and see the thing big and bubbled, almost right where I put it so current and light must be good enough.

 

[slickwill613]

Just adding to this thread instead of starting new.

Told myself I wouldn't worry about it but I'm going to ask anyway. Nem was nice and inflated and bubbly yesterday evening. This morning it's kinda curled in on itself and deflated. Got back home around lunchtime, lights are on figured it'd be back out but it's still hiding. Lights don't hit peak until 2pm though, and for all I know it's still adjusting to the AI nano. Foot is still attached, can't see mouth in the position it's in. Should I get worried? Run a round of tests? Do a WC? Move rocks and get a better look? Just wait it out? Here's two pics w/ and w/out flash

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[porpoiseaquatics]

wait it out. that's generally a sign that its digesting.

 

[slickwill613]

porpoiseaquatics;853232 wrote: wait it out. that's generally a sign that its digesting.

Should've mentioned it did this for a few hours the other day, pooped out a small amount of "stuff" and opened back up. My concern was that its doing it again so soon.

 

[slickwill613]

Decided to run the numbers anyway. Not terrible, but I always reference http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-05/rhf/">http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-05/rhf/</a>
Temp 80F
Salinity 34 ppt or just over 1.025 your call.
PH 8.0
Alk 3.0meq/l or 8.4 dkh take your pick.
Ammo 0
Trite 0
Trate 10 or less, best this test can tell me
Mg 1440
Ca 450

I don't add any any supplements, and I'm due for a WC tonight.

Also, while I was doing all these tests it kind of came out. I'll add a photo, I think the mouth looks off.
Upper left is flash reflection. Help me out here guys, ease my pain.
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[jeffmuse]

I have a good bit of experience with bubble tips (currently have 12), and this type of behavior is fairly common when they are added to a new system.

While anemones do not have a "brain" they will seek out the area in the tank that has the right concentration of light and flow to make them happy. When you move an anemone from one system to another, the bubble tip will almost always hide for a day or two as it acclimates to its new environment. I would give the nem a good week to find its ideal spot in your tank.

As for the "deflated look" your nem is currently displaying, this is very common after a feeding. The anemone is basically just a bag of water... once it is done digesting the food, it expels all of the water in the inner cavity and gets rid of the waste products. I would not worry about it unless it stays that way for over a week or so.

As for dosing iodine, I have kept bta's with and without it, and I have not noticed any real difference in their growth or health. You can spot feed silversides, but I would not do it more than once a week max.

 

[slickwill613]

JeffMuse;853307 wrote: I have a good bit of experience with bubble tips (currently have 12), and this type of behavior is fairly common when they are added to a new system.

While anemones do not have a "brain" they will seek out the area in the tank that has the right concentration of light and flow to make them happy. When you move an anemone from one system to another, the bubble tip will almost always hide for a day or two as it acclimates to its new environment. I would give the nem a good week to find its ideal spot in your tank.

As for the "deflated look" your nem is currently displaying, this is very common after a feeding. The anemone is basically just a bag of water... once it is done digesting the food, it expels all of the water in the inner cavity and gets rid of the waste products. I would not worry about it unless it stays that way for over a week or so.

As for dosing iodine, I have kept bta's with and without it, and I have not noticed any real difference in their growth or health. You can spot feed silversides, but I would not do it more than once a week max.

Thanks a million. It's out and looking great right now. I'll try to relax

 

[slickwill613]

So this thing went for a walk last night. Ended up right next to my mp10, glad I covered it in used pantyhose. I really would rather it be on the rocks and not the glass. Should I move it or let it go?

 

[jeffmuse]

SlickWill613;853966 wrote: So this thing went for a walk last night. Ended up right next to my mp10, glad I covered it in used pantyhose. I really would rather it be on the rocks and not the glass. Should I move it or let it go?

No, I would leave it alone and let it find a spot that it is most comfortable with... it will settle in the area that gives it the best mix of light and flow. I would only move it if it gets dangerously close to the power head.