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so a week after my lion fish dies, now my puffer has completely disappeared! He has been just fine and eating the entire time i had him. Yesterday he started acting differently... he wasnt swimming around and seemed to be weak. This morning he is completely missing. What the heck!?! First of all ive searched the entire tank and i cant find him. Second of all, my water/temp/salinity has been completely normal. I had it tested at the LFS yesterday and it was fine, and i tested it myself this morning and its still fine. Why in the world do my fish keep dying but all my inverts are thriving!? I assumed if he died the pistol shrimp would get him but ive seen the pistol this morning he is walking around looking for food like normal. No sign of my puffer anywhere. :sad::sad::sad:
 
Sorry that sucks... I had the same experience with my Blue Tang yesterday morning... See what where your CUC is congregating... that's how I found my Tang.
 
yep.. i found my hermit trying to squeeze between some LR so i moved it and there he was. Poor lil guy.
 
yeah but i just dont understand why EVERYTHING is growing so well and thriving EXCEPT the fish. Ive only had two.. and theyve both died now. My water is fine, temp is fine.. just dont get it. Its very disappointing. Im starting to feel like giving up on fish all together and have a invert only tank.
 
Do you quarantine the fish? This is the time of year when brookynella seems to strike, and its a quick and deadly killer. Do you see any symptoms like lethargy, labored breathing, patchy spots on the skin?
 
jmaneyapanda;681593 wrote: Do you quarantine the fish? This is the time of year when brookynella seems to strike, and its a quick and deadly killer. Do you see any symptoms like lethargy, labored breathing, patchy spots on the skin?
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everythign except the patchy spots for both of them... no i dont quarantine.. never have. just acclimate. also, do i need a powerhead/fan thing (forgot what its called) for just a 24 gallon tank? Im thinking with the filter and the skimmer that its too much circulation. Dunno...
 
UmbrellaCorp;681597 wrote: everythign except the patchy spots for both of them... no i dont quarantine.. never have. just acclimate. also, do i need a powerhead/fan thing (forgot what its called) for just a 24 gallon tank? Im thinking with the filter and the skimmer that its too much circulation. Dunno...
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Not too much circulation. IMHO, youre looking past the obvious at too many excusatory issues. If your water parameters are indeed ok, what could be causing an issue with repetitive fish? Pathogens. Just my opinion.
 
Please post all the parameters and maybe someone could help see if there are issues you did not see. The ARC fish expert above is probably right in that you have some pathogen.

Joe
 
UmbrellaCorp;681597 wrote: everythign except the patchy spots for both of them... no i dont quarantine.. never have. just acclimate. also, do i need a powerhead/fan thing (forgot what its called) for just a 24 gallon tank? Im thinking with the filter and the skimmer that its too much circulation. Dunno...
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Was the puffer and the Lion in the 24 gallon tank?
 
Yes both on same tank. Porcupine puffer and dwarf lion. I'm at imagine ocean now waiting on it to open. Brought a water sample so maybe jenn can help me figure it out.

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Maybe u should just stick with damsels lol

Edit: Maybe u should just stick with damsels lol
 
hud3339;681657 wrote: Maybe u should just stick with damsels lol

Edit: Maybe u should just stick with damsels lol
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Hah real nice :p the only thing she could find was the phosphate was super high so gotta do some phosguard.

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You do know that your 2 tanks together aren't remotely large enough for a porcupine puffer right?
 
I tested his water this morning. Nothing out of whack except phosphate was rather elevated. I don't have parameters in hand, I handed him the report, but everything that I tested for, pH, alk, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and specific gravity were OK. Phosphate won't kill the fish - and he got some Phosguard to address that.

I'm stumped too.

He did mention that the lion never ate - and doesn't know if it ate in the shop before he got it.

It's possible that both deaths were "unrelated" - meaning they weren't caused by the same problem. The problem is still an unknown though.

Edit: Something that just occurred to me... Umbrella - you mentioned that you're using commercially prepared water that comes in a jug (not mixed at LFS or at your location). Is there any coincidence between using that water, and fishes' death shortly afterward? Are you aerating that water and/or mixing it or agitating it before using it? I'm wondering about that - if there is a coincidence between doing a water change and a fish dying shortly thereafter, I wonder if it could be a low dissolved oxygen issue at that point in time?

Jenn
 
JeF4y;681681 wrote: You do know that your 2 tanks together aren't remotely large enough for a porcupine puffer right?
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ive kept a porcupine puffer successfully for 4 years in a 30 gallon. Get them as babies and you can keep them in any size tank you want. Eventually after years they would need to be moved. But that happens when it happens.
 
JennM;681726 wrote: I tested his water this morning. Nothing out of whack except phosphate was rather elevated. I don't have parameters in hand, I handed him the report, but everything that I tested for, pH, alk, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and specific gravity were OK. Phosphate won't kill the fish - and he got some Phosguard to address that.

I'm stumped too.

He did mention that the lion never ate - and doesn't know if it ate in the shop before he got it.

It's possible that both deaths were "unrelated" - meaning they weren't caused by the same problem. The problem is still an unknown though.

Edit: Something that just occurred to me... Umbrella - you mentioned that you're using commercially prepared water that comes in a jug (not mixed at LFS or at your location). Is there any coincidence between using that water, and fishes' death shortly afterward? Are you aerating that water and/or mixing it or agitating it before using it? I'm wondering about that - if there is a coincidence between doing a water change and a fish dying shortly thereafter, I wonder if it could be a low dissolved oxygen issue at that point in time?

Jenn
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The last water change I did was more than a week before either of them died so I really don't think its the water. I know everyone on here doesn't believe in the nutrition seawater but its great stuff. Ad I said everything in my tank is growing very quickly and looking great. I think I realized what happened with the puffer.. I had to buff the Ph a little yesterday and I wasn't looking when I poured the water in... Think I poured it right on top of the puffer. I poured it at the back of the tank which is where he always hangs out.. so I'm pretty sure it was my fault for being careless.

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JennM;681763 wrote: Ouch :( Are you using a liquid or powdered buffer?
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i get a little bit of water from the tank then put in a tiny bit of powder and mix it up and pour it in.
 
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