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Well , after being a newbie for 15 months in this hobby, I have been reading</em> multiple threads , pros and cons. I was leaning to ecotech XR30 radions at first , now I'm thinking reef brite led strips. I have a 5ft lg tank 30" wide and 22 " tall. I have softies sps and lps . I would like to know what are your thoughts? I need something that i can control dusk to dawn. and change the color spectrum's. yes my wife wants blues/whites/purples and pink?? and I was thinking if i got the reefbrites i would need at least 6 strips. Does it matter if I get the 4ft instead of 5ft strips? suggestions , pros and cons, should i wait longer? i am running 2x 250 lumenex 20k radions now. Be nice to stay below $ 1500 :unsure:
 
It is arguable if LEDs are viable yet in the hobby... pros and cons... IMO if you want a sure thing go 250w Halides and or T5.

B
 
well snow i seen Hogsnappers tank the other day under 6 -4ft LED reef brites stips, the livestock was amazing!! growing great?? so the jury is still out on led's ? lol
his acrylic tank is 4ft x 32" x 22" tall, boy is this topic totally confusing???
 
If you have an established system I would carefully consider the risks.

Here are 2 threads first one is from here at ARC the 2nd is a VERY similar from RC where I basically asked the same question.

http://www.atlantareefclub.org/forums/showthread.php?t=71843">http://www.atlantareefclub.org/forums/showthread.php?t=71843</a>

[IMG]http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2191505">http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2191505</a>

The majority do believe LEDs are viable, but IMO.. if you have an existing coral tank I'm not sure its worth the gamble.

In general those who oppose it believe the spectrum is off for long term sustainability. I don't have a dog in this fight, but I'd LOVE for LEDs to work! I'm just not ready to take that chance on a mature system.

From what I've read up on it seems that in order to get the spectrum you'll need you'll have to DIY exactly what you want (which can be done, but gets expensive.. I think I had over $300 in THIS (given it is a few years old)

[IMG]http://www.atlantareefclub.org/forums/showthread.php?t=43366">http://www.atlantareefclub.org/forums/showthread.php?t=43366</a>

Edit: [QUOTE=][B]reeferman;780973 wrote:[/B] go for it,im having great success with my leds[/QUOTE]

Hope your corals are doing great! Nice to have met you "again" the other day (sorry for temp take over) :)
 
I've had LEDs over my tank for a couple years now - but I did start with them that way.

If I was going to do it over again - and I am one day - I would build my own with multiple colors in it that were controllable.

I'm thinking 6-8 color channels controlled by an arduino controller. I just have to work out all the other details on it... I figure it'll be in the $750-$1k range for a 4' fixture.
 
So far, I really</em> like my Panorama Pro units from Ecoxotic. The color is outstanding, and they're plenty bright -- and cheaper and more PAR than the Radions. (Though you have to add electronic dimmers, which may push the cost equal.)

Haven't had them near long enough to attest to long-term growth, but all my various euphyllia on the sand love them.
 
The tank I seen Saturday had Lps, Zoas and softies. they looked amazing! growth was great according to Hog the owner. this tank is 22" deep.
 
bpatterson617;780988 wrote: I have a related question....I have seen lots of people say that sps growth and/or color is lacking under leds regardless of spectrum/color combo....but what about lps, zoas, and other softies??? How is growth/color for those?

reefstinger;780993 wrote: The tank I seen Saturday had Lps, Zoas and softies. they looked amazing! growth was great according to Hog the owner. this tank is 22" deep.

Color with LPS, Z's, and softies is great with LED's. Incredible "Pop". But, these corals also grow very well in very "dirty" water. They also don't require great light to do well. Hence the reason they were the first corals kept in the hobby. Any wonder these are the corals that do best with LED? (Dirty light and water!)

For anyone looking to keep a heavy LPS, Zoa, and softie tank, LED's are the only way to go.
 
If you are up for a long read, I think you and others might find http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/Aquarium_Lighting.html">http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/Aquarium_Lighting.html</a> interesting. He is in business to sell the TMC product line, but I know of no other vendor that has done as much research, to support his position, as this guy. He has positive things to say about some other brands and makes it clear that certain TMC fixtures are not appropriate for certain applications. What I really like is that when he says a certain product is right for a certain application, he tells you why based on the science.

Although I'm not sure I always understand what I'm reading, I have done extensive reading on this subject and listened to countless "opinions" and find it interesting that in all the threads on the subject, there is rarely anyone that quotes any scientific research to support their position, even though this is a subject based entirely on science.

I guess LED's are still new enough that it hasn't dawned on some people that all LED's aren't the same and that there is no "one size fits all." Manufacturers like Cree produce LED's with a model name that stays the same, even though the quality of the emitter has changed over time. Just like car manufacturers keep a model name year after year, but you wouldn't compare today's version to one made years ago. So you may buy a DIY Cree XP-E thinking it's the same as the XP-E being used in a high end fixture, when in fact it is old technology. And to make things even more difficult, the difference between cheap LED's and the old technology of the quality lines appears to be huge, not to mention the new technology. It blows my mind when people buy cheap Chinese LED's on EBay or in a Group Buy thinking they are getting the same quality in terms of PUR as the high end lines provide.

Just saying...
 
I've read multiple threads indicating poor color quality and growth from LEDs. I was hard pressed to make the switch from MH to LED but I did finally make the plunge. At first with supplemented T5 because I still wasn't sure. After going to complete LED, I've had more growth and my color is great compared to any MH that I had ever operated. I personally have the eShine 4G 48x3 Cree with solar simulator. Anybody here that has seen my tank can testify to both the color and growth. I won't fill the thread with info so if you want more, just PM me.
 
porpoiseaquatics;781033 wrote: I've read multiple threads indicating poor color quality and growth from LEDs. I was hard pressed to make the switch from MH to LED but I did finally make the plunge. At first with supplemented T5 because I still wasn't sure. After going to complete LED, I've had more growth and my color is great compared to any MH that I had ever operated. I personally have the eShine 4G 48x3 Cree with solar simulator. Anybody here that has seen my tank can testify to both the color and growth. I won't fill the thread with info so if you want more, just PM me.
As much as I hate to I will have to testify to that. Your tank does look great!:)
 
reefstinger;781049 wrote: +1 , mine do a great job, but the wifey wants more color over her corals. lol :thumbs:

I wouldn't switch from halides to LEDs thinking you are going to get more color. There are some LEDs out there that can get you close to or the same as a halide, but IME there are none that will get you more color than you can get from halides, particularly a Radium or Phoenix bulb.

If you want the dayglo effect produced by blue LEDs, I'd look into just supplementing your current setup with a couple of Royal Blue (not blue) LED Strips, and use them for your sunrise/sunset.

LEDs are a tradefoff is some ways. You get the benefit of long life and low heat production and energy consumption, but currently, LEDs rarely, if ever, beat halides in terms of absolute coral color.

Also, I have owned Reefbrite strips, and they were regular blue color. Look at Royal Blue before you buy the Reefbrites. I was disappointed in mine and sold them.
 
grouper therapy;781034 wrote: As much as I hate to I will have to testify to that. Your tank does look great!:)

so... what makes the difference for PA here? :)

other husbandry practices?
 
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