Replace Lamps or New Fixture

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I've been running T5s on my SPS tank for a period of years and honestly I have NO COMPLAINTS. It does cost me about $300 2x a year to replace the lamps though. The fixture I'm running is a Aquactinics Constellation.

Question is....

Is it time to go LED?

My concern is that LEDS haven't arrived yet. I see a lot of people buying them up but I see a LOT of turn around on them too.

Edit: IN POLL OPTIONS..

spa = SPS.. not sure what happened there.

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from what I've read I think they are here if the user lets them work to there potential. I think most of the users mess with color combination too much. You can't have a blue tank and grow sps from what I read. All this coming from a tried and true metal halide guy so take it for what its worth.
 
At $600/yr in bulbs I would consider the change or at least a hybrid of LED/T5 to offset bulb cost.

For me, the benefits of LED outweighed the negatives at the time. If I had to do it over again I would still do it but maybe would spend a little more on the front end for controllable LED's.

1. Dumping my $300/yr T5 bulb cost
2. Less heat = Sold my chiller
3. More efficient energy consumption
 
If you are considering performance alone, I think LEDs have a ways to go before they are ready for long term sps.

I guess it depends on what is important to you.

The way I look at it:

I made a conscious desicion to keep these animals as pets. Considering it is next to impossible to replicate conditions found on a reef, I feel it is my duty to try to get as close as possible, yet still making the aquarium a pleasurable experiance.

I considered my choice to try LEDs a selfish choice. I was fascinated with heat reduction and energy efficiency. When it came down to the health of the coral, I would say it seemed mediocre.

These animals cannot choose which light the owner of the aquarium chooses, but they will respond differently to different light sources.

My logic: if I need a full balanced meal every day to sustain life, what quality of living would I have if I was only provided with one of the food groups?

For instance, let's use dairy. Dairy is a readily available resource, it's cheap, and easily renewed.... But how many bulls do you see leaning down to take a sip? Zero. That's because the fats and proteins found in cow's milk are designed for a baby cow.

Many adult humans develope a lactose intolerance. This Is because our bodies were designed to only need the proteins and fats found Milk during infancy. Over time, and with the popularity of milk, humans have evolved to have tolerance to lactose even as an adult. This is something that is passed down genetically.

In cultures from the east that don't drink cow's milk, they would get terribly sick if they drank milk. Drinking milk is not part of their culture, and many of them have never had cow's milk.

If these people from the east suddenly substituted one of their food groups for dairy, how do you think their body would handle the change?

I wonder what response you would recieve if you asked the GA aquarium about whale sharks' ability to adapt to a diet that is not natural to them.

Where an I going with this information?

Though living things have the ability to adapt to new environments, it takes a long time.

In my experience with LEDs, some corals took off in growth, others did nothing. I took some of the corals that looked bad, and put them in conditions that were way less then ideal, but had t5 lighting. Every single coral made a recovery.

With pristine water conditions, and ample amounts of food, why would these corals do poorly? Why did they make a complete turn around when moved to a more polluted environment? Were the lights the key factor? Maybe, I don't know for sure.

What I do know is that the human body needs vitamin d in order to absorb calcium. Without enough vitamin D, one can’t form enough of the hormone calcitriol (known as the “active vitamin D”). This in turn leads to insufficient calcium absorption from the diet. In this situation, the body must take calcium from its stores in the skeleton, which weakens existing bone and prevents the formation of strong, new bone.


Our bodies get vitamin D from three ways: our skin, diet, and supplements.

Corals derive most of their vitamin d from the uv spectrum of the sun and diet. Taking away a crucial source of vitamin d probably slows the ability for the animal to absorb calcium. This I why I believe that the LEDs that are marketed today are not able to produce the results that the other methods of lighting yield.
 
I've only had MH on the tank for less than a month after a very long 15 months with LED. I tried to make LED's work. I really did. Bottom line, I've seen more progress in the last month than I did the previous 15 months combined. I'm not going to keep beating this dead horse but people keep trying to find a way to save money and seem perfectly willing to compromise performance to do it.
If you want a happy reef, go with what you know works.
If you want to save money, go LED.
 
I do agree with the previous comments, as if it mattered haha...

As an upgrade I HAVE ALSO been toying with doing a 250w / 400w halide t5 combo.....

Thing is I've NEVER had a chiller and I don't want to start now. (not even when I DID run MH).

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It is a 7 lamp fixture. I swap them every 6 months. I could probably go 8 months between swaps, but I've had REALLY good results with 6, so thats what I stick with.

and yes.. its about $200 instead of 300.. just a bad estimation on my part :)

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I could use you old bulbs. I can't remember the last time mine were replaced. i have several 3 and 4 ft fixtures.
 
I disagree with a lot that is stated here opposing LED. But, I must qualify it by saying I am extreamly new to this and have only been using LED for a few months. BUT from what I have seen, my corals have all responded well with one exception. The exception is the Duncans.

Ripped Tide;777850 wrote:
Corals derive most of their vitamin d from the uv spectrum of the sun and diet. Taking away a crucial source of vitamin d probably slows the ability for the animal to absorb calcium. This I why I believe that the LEDs that are marketed today are not able to produce the results that the other methods of lighting yield.

But you are not accounting for the LED fixtures that DO have UV chips. Maybe that is why I am having good results. I don't know. Maybe I am just lucky in the short term. The points you make are all good and valid ones however, I believe that newer LED fixtures are accounting for that. Maybe not as well as some other forms but as is the case with almost everything we do in this hobby, there are always trade offs.

I look at it this way, if a dog is left in the pound what will happen to him? Yet, if I take him and give him a decent home (maybe not ideal conditions like some would) he will still have a somewhat enjoyable life. If left in the pound, he will have a very short life.
 
rdnelson99;777893 wrote: I disagree with a lot that is stated here opposing LED. But, I must qualify it by saying I am extreamly new to this and have only been using LED for a few months. BUT from what I have seen, my corals have all responded well with one exception. The exception is the Duncans.



But you are not accounting for the LED fixtures that DO have UV chips. Maybe that is why I am having good results. I don't know. Maybe I am just lucky in the short term. The points you make are all good and valid ones however, I believe that newer LED fixtures are accounting for that. Maybe not as well as some other forms but as is the case with almost everything we do in this hobby, there are always trade offs.

I look at it this way, if a dog is left in the pound what will happen to him? Yet, if I take him and give him a decent home (maybe not ideal conditions like some would) he will still have a somewhat enjoyable life. If left in the pound, he will have a very short life.



Duncan's doing poorly? If anything, my LEDs did fine with LpS, and softies. My Duncan's grew very fast with LEDS.

I hope you have great success and prove me wrong. Maybe the uv chips(as insufficient that studies say they are) are they key.

I dunno. I don't know nothin' 'bout nothin', other than my sps LOOK prettier under halide... Sold!
 
jamescook;777889 wrote: I could use you old bulbs. I can't remember the last time mine were replaced. i have several 3 and 4 ft fixtures.

You could have them, but I'm out of zone:)

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126 reef;777888 wrote: I have seen you tank and it looks great why take the risk since it is working out so well for you?

There is always BETTER :)
 
IMHO stick with what you have. It seems that you are getting excellent growth with your current set up so why change? I have had LEDs on my 60 cube since Christmas and I like them and have been getting growth out of my SPS but nothing like I did with MHs. But then I am cool with what I am getting because I love the colors I see. Its a good trade for me. In retrospect I would have done a MH/LED combo and may still do it later down the road but honestly, stick with what you got.
 
126 reef;777915 wrote: True, slower growth may be a good thing. If I remember correctly your tank is pretty well grown in.

I'm not sure about the slower growth ... I'm getting much better growth from my t5s than anything Ive ever used.. including MH.. BUT.. my husbandry techniques are LIGHT YEARS beyond what I had back then too....
 
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