Replacing all my LR in my tank......good idea?

hard to tell, cheaper looks like normal marco rock and has exactly the same price for 50#
 
misu;574013 wrote: hard to tell, cheaper looks like normal marco rock and has exactly the same price for 50#

That pukani is supposedly going to be bigger peices and lighter - so a 50# box of this stuff should go further than the other...the difference is about $40 for 50#

EDIT: Oh, and BRS is giving 50 BRS Points per lb on the pukani - so If I order 50 lb then it will give me 2500 BRS point or $25 off my next purchase...I just did this with my dosers and got $30 worth of BRS points
 
Sounds like the Pukani may be the way to go.

As for your cycling question, again, it all depends on how much you do at once. You have a 210 gallon (IIRC) tank with a few hundred poounds of liverock. If you put 10# of dry rock in, it's not likely going to do anything. However, if you pull OUT 50# and put 50# IN, then you may experience something in the line of a cycle. It's all about the bioload you currently have and how well the tank can adjust. Many factors... Go slow and learn as you go.
 
JeF4y;574021 wrote: Sounds like the Pukani may be the way to go.

As for your cycling question, again, it all depends on how much you do at once. You have a 210 gallon (IIRC) tank with a few hundred poounds of liverock. If you put 10# of dry rock in, it's not likely going to do anything. However, if you pull OUT 50# and put 50# IN, then you may experience something in the line of a cycle. It's all about the bioload you currently have and how well the tank can adjust. Many factors... Go slow and learn as you go.


yes, you recall correctly but only about 200# of rock in the display, maybe less - I think what im going to do after everyones feedback is move all the rock on the right to the left. If I do this right then nothing will be removed that hasnt already been replaced. so instead of 50# out, 50# in - it will be more like 50# in...wait a few weeks then 10# out..than another week remove another 10# at a time

The tank has been set up as a reef for almost a year now. My bio load is pretty light overall at the moment, this will change eventually so I wanted to do this while I have the opportunity.

Im going to order 50# of the pukani in a moment
 
hey man i saw the picture. I dont think you have a bad setup really. It looks a LOT like mine did haha. the thing is you've got to plan ahead and let your corals grow your reef structure. ... i could see caps around the bottom of those mounds, some big SPS growing off the sides and bridging the gap between the 2.

IMO. Create a very OPEN structure .. get you some nice frags glue them on the rock and let it grow in over a year.

B
 
SnowManSnow;574050 wrote: hey man i saw the picture. I dont think you have a bad setup really. It looks a LOT like mine did haha. the thing is you've got to plan ahead and let your corals grow your reef structure. ... i could see caps around the bottom of those mounds, some big SPS growing off the sides and bridging the gap between the 2.

IMO. Create a very OPEN structure .. get you some nice frags glue them on the rock and let it grow in over a year.

B

I want it to be nice and open but taller than it is now on the 2 islands..the pic is old - I have about 100-150 frags and about 50-60 other corals in there now, including a mini basketball sized stag.

Im trying to keep the middle wide open - first because I have a massive brace that hinders my reach and second is the 3/4" thick brace cuts back alot of my light. I may just put all of my low light corals and cyphastrea on teh SB in the middle
 
The BRS Pukani product description does not state if this is just dried live rock or cured dried live rock. The BRS Eco Rox is the same stuff as the Marco Key Largo, and it is quarried, so it will not induce a cycle because it has no organics on/in it. Just needs a rinse in tap water to remove any dust. A call to BRS to ask about the Pukani will tell you if it is uncured. I'd look for a cycle on the Pukani if it is just dried rock that has been pulled from the reef then dried out and sold.
 
Acroholic;574079 wrote: The BRS Pukani product description does not state if this is just dried live rock or cured dried live rock. The BRS Eco Rox is the same stuff as the Marco Key Largo, and it is quarried, so it will not induce a cycle because it has no organics on/in it. Just needs a rinse in tap water to remove any dust. A call to BRS to ask about the Pukani will tell you if it is uncured. I'd look for a cycle on the Pukani if it is just dried rock that has been pulled from the reef then dried out and sold.

Of the 27 online reveiws of the pukani (all excellent) a couple mentioned a good bit of dried organic matter on the rock. one noted it took several weeks of cycling and skimming before he was able to add to the DT.
 
bratliff;574066 wrote: Not to sound argumentative here, but, I'm confused as to why the prevailing opinion is that adding base rock would cause a cycle? A cycle is caused by organic material decomposing. The Marco rock I used in setting up my 180 was 100% "cycled" in that there was no organic material to die off. I understand not wanting to remove all the live rock (or a large portion of it) as this would reduce the ability of the tank system to process nitrates, but, that's not a cycle, it's a bio-load issue.

I think you'll be fine with this. I put all of my cured live rock into my fuge and sump and used only base rock in my display as I want to customize the look and didn't wanna kill off my live rock. I stuff yer fuge with as much of your rock as it can hold and go ahead and reaquascape your display with the BRS rock. FWIW, when I first had my tank cycling, the marco rock had no testable impact on tank parameters (at least with the test kits I was using). This was with about 300 gallons of water, no live sand or rock, and about 200 lbs of Marco rock in the display.

I kind of thought the same thing - this is the whole reason I started the thread - to get as much feedback as possible.

Thanks guys - keep it coming
 
Gary,
If you want to drill it and attach it together I bought some fiberglass rod from Mcmaster Carr in 1/2" diameter and have all the drills and hydrolic cement which is the same stuff Sanjay used to assemble his rocks in his tank and that I am going to use on my Fiji rock. Just give me a call you have my number and more than willing to give you a hand. I would still place in a tote for a while and slowly add pieces just to be safe.
 
Eric B;574090 wrote: Gary,
If you want to drill it and attach it together I bought some fiberglass rod from Mcmaster Carr in 1/2" diameter and have all the drills and hydrolic cement which is the same stuff Sanjay used to assemble his rocks in his tank and that I am going to use on my Fiji rock. Just give me a call you have my number and more than willing to give you a hand. I would still place in a tote for a while and slowly add pieces just to be safe.

Thanks E - I will definatley want help! Musicalocean is going to handle the aquascape on the new rock - we will be using a little puddy and zip ties - no drilling or rods needed. now the rock currently in my tank that I want to keep will need to be drilled and rodded for sure....

I plan on doing nothing fast - I have plenty of time to wait...Im more concerned of doing it right then twice
 
gnashty;574081 wrote: Of the 27 online reveiws of the pukani (all excellent) a couple mentioned a good bit of dried organic matter on the rock. one noted it took several weeks of cycling and skimming before he was able to add to the DT.

OK, then that shows you the Pukani comes from the ocean, whereas the Eco Rox/Marco key largo is quarried.
 
Acroholic;574109 wrote: OK, then that shows you the Pukani comes from the ocean, whereas the Eco Rox/Marco key largo is quarried.

You're right, I assumed it was quarried by the look of it but after you mentioned something I looked and found nothing the say it was quarried. Now Im mad at myself for not buying the more environmentally friendly rock...

further reading reveals it only comes in a few times a year and is rarely available....guess I got lucky, mine shipped today.

After getting home and looking in my tank it seems I have 30-40 lb just like it so it should match up nicely once its all colored up
 
gnashty;574052 wrote: I have about 100-150 frags and about 50-60 other corals.


Now that Im home looking at my tank I wayyy over exaggerated the statement above...more like 75 frags and 30 other corals :doh:

Im excited for the rock though, it already shipped so maybe Ill get it for the weekend to play with.

Does anyone have a suggestion as to wether I should add some LR from my sump to seed it? Or should I just see how much decay is on the rock first?
 
bratliff;574314 wrote: I assume you are referring to curing the new rock so, the answer is no. There's no need to seed. Let the cycle commence and take it's course. Skim it and do water changes and otherwise just pretend you're setting up a new tank (heaters, PH's etc.)

This was my plan - I planned to use my discard water from a WC to fill the bin I will put the rock in....good idea/bad idea? then using fresh saltwater for WC's of the bin from there on out..
 
gnashty;574315 wrote: This was my plan - I planned to use my discard water from a WC to fill the bin I will put the rock in....good idea/bad idea? then using fresh saltwater for WC's of the bin from there on out..

That water should do fine instead of tossing it for fresh water why not recycle it at all water changes! :)
 
Eric B;574318 wrote: That water should do fine instead of tossing it for fresh water why not recycle it at all water changes! :)

That makes sense to me! considering my weekly discard water is relatively clean...Nitrates around .2-1 ppm and 0 Phosphates (most of the time..lol)
 
Gary, why don't you seed the new rock in your tank? Just add a few pieces at a time and let it sit for a couple weeks, then take out a few pieces of the stuff you don't like and add some more new pieces. It might take a while, but I think it would be the most stable route. Also, try PMing Chris at Fish Scales, he's great with aquascaping.
 
brianjfinn;574320 wrote: Gary, why don't you seed the new rock in your tank? Just add a few pieces at a time and let it sit for a couple weeks, then take out a few pieces of the stuff you don't like and add some more new pieces. It might take a while, but I think it would be the most stable route. Also, try PMing Chris at Fish Scales, he's great with aquascaping.

I had given this some thought too but settled on just getting all of the rock ready, then I can move all the old rock on the right to the left and all the newly cyled rock in the empty part of the tank in one swoop, possibly in one or 3 prebuilt structures....just lower it into the tank and zip tie them together....I figured if anything this would be a more stable route. I would be effectively increasing my biological filtration by 50# and then I will strategically remove the rocks I dont want - say 10-15# at a time over several weeks - I will probably only remove 40-50# total.

musicalocean is going to help me build the structures. Plus - this rock im getting is like legos - I dont see how anyone can make it look bad...except me..lol
 
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