Seneye

[Adam]

Danh;1084762 wrote: My office right behind my tank so I'm good with that part... but I see what you're saying here. Can you show me the piece that I'd need to buy to get started with the apex, please? Aside from the main unit itself.

http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/aquarium-monitors-controllers/controllers-monitors.html">http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/aquarium-monitors-controllers/controllers-monitors.html</a>

Also the Apex has a built in web server and you get Fusion for cloud monitoring and control from anywhere. Reef Keeper is less expensive but is also less flexible. Apex has a much lager following with a great support forum and user support on most of the other forums out there.

I did a lot of researching before I got the Gold Apex on a Black Friday for $700. You can also look around here and R2R for used equipment to get started or add on to what you already have.

Edit: I just did a search on R2R and a standard Apex just sold for $425.

 

[ringo®]

I've got a Seneye. I bought it for the PAR meter and the slides have never seen any use. To me, the recurring fee for what they monitor just wasn't worth it. If it tested Alk, Mag and Cal, that would be a different story.

 

[hzheng33]

Ringo®;1084767 wrote: I've got a Seneye. I bought it for the PAR meter and the slides have never seen any use. To me, the recurring fee for what they monitor just wasn't worth it. If it tested Alk, Mag and Cal, that would be a different story.

agree but it might be a pipe dream for now. especially mag testing.

 

[danh]

Thanks for all of the help.

So what are the draw backs with going with a jr now rather than $700 for a gold or $500 for the normal one?

I have NO current plans for anything too advanced on this tank like dosers or reactors. I have a 20g long sump and I do plan on adding another fuge possibly in the near future.

 

[Adam]

Danh;1084771 wrote: Thanks for all of the help.

So what are the draw backs with going with a jr now rather than $700 for a gold or $500 for the normal one?

I have NO current plans for anything too advanced on this tank like dosers or reactors. I have a 20g long sump and I do plan on adding another fuge possibly in the near future.

The difference between the Regular and the next step up is the upgraded PH probe. They all come with 1 EB8, temp probe and display. The Gold adds a Lab grade ORP and salinity/conductitivy probe with the PM2 module. So what you get is more monitoring with which to control the EB8(s) and send alerts. All can be added to the base system at a later date but the cost will be more than doing it all together.

I'd write down the things you want to monitor and control. Then make your choice from there.

 

[ringo®]

The Jr. is going to come with a 4 socket power source vs. the 8 on the regular. I'm not sure if this is still the case, but the Jr. was limited in its expansion abilities when I was purchasing mine a few years back.

 

[danh]

anit77;1084774 wrote: I'd write down the things you want to monitor and control. Then make your choice from there.

Monitor
Temp
Ph
PM2 does salinity right?


Control
Lights
Future fuge light
Heaters
Fans (since I'm not currently planning on a chiller)
MAYBE the Jebao wavemakers but they can control themselves.


I have the ATO I mentioned. Does that work better when combined with the controller in conjunction with the salinity? Does the ph measure alkalinity as well?

 

[axio]

Here is a nice comparison chart from Dr. Foster's comparing the Apex vs the Apex Jr...

 

[danh]

Jeez.... So $550 it is... but this doesn't do salinity, correct?

 

[hzheng33]

Danh;1084804 wrote: Jeez.... So $550 it is... but this doesn't do salinity, correct?

http://www.amazon.com/Neptune-Systems-Controller-Combo-Standard/dp/B00BOSEVYI?ie=UTF8&keywords=neptune%20apex&qid=1463430783&ref_=sr_1_5&refinements=p_85%3A2470955011&rps=1&sr=8-5">Amazon.com : Neptune Systems Apex Controller Combo with Standard Grade pH Probe : Petsuppliesmisc : Pet [email]Supplies</a>[/QUOTE]
correct. I just bit the bullet for my big build as well. lol

 

[Adam]

Yea, to do salinity you'd need to add the PM2 and</em> the conductivity probe if you go with than version. If you've got time you can browse the for sale forums here and on R2R over the next several weeks. Things are always popping up for sale and you can save some decent money.

 

[danh]

So I'm looking at a $200 difference between the RK Elite Plus and the Apex standard. The RK lite with SL@ is even cheaper. The one thing it looks like the RK doesn't have the 4 variable voltage channels. So does anyone know if those will work with my JBJ light or my Jebao RWs. I guess I do plan on upgrading the lights in the next 12 months, so that piece seems to be the big difference. I guess the variable ports are optional for the RK? And I see it also has a DC pump interface that's add on. Is the apex the same way as far as DC goes?

http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/apex-controller-with-standard-ph-probe-neptune-systems.html">http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/apex-controller-with-standard-ph-probe-neptune-systems.html</a>

[IMG]http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/reefkeeper-elite-plus-digital-aquatics.html">http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/reefkeeper-elite-plus-digital-aquatics.html</a>

 

[danh]

I hope y'all are happy... I got an apex... lol

 

[torqued]

Hate to say it, but i think you guys are overlooking something pretty critical.

This is a PAR meter first. Par meters are VERY expensive, and this one has been shown to be just as accurate (or at least within a very small margin of error) comparable to PAR meters that cost over $1500. So if you need a PAR meter, this is a good option.

The ammonia and PH monitoring are just gravy added on top. IMO even if you dont use those things, you are not going to find a PAR meter that is this accurate for less money I dont think. The fact that you can use it to monitor those other things is just an added bonus really. I do find that the ammonia and PH tabs are a bit much though. I dont think i am interested in paying $11 a month for each tab, but who knows, maybe down the road .

BTW, BRS changed their tune on this because of what i Just said. They originally didnt think it was worth the money, and were skeptical of the accuracy of the PAR meter. After testing it against the high end one, that changed their minds alone.

 

[axio]

Torqued;1087047 wrote: Hate to say it, but i think you guys are overlooking something pretty critical.

This is a PAR meter first. Par meters are VERY expensive, and this one has been shown to be just as accurate (or at least within a very small margin of error) comparable to PAR meters that cost over $1500. So if you need a PAR meter, this is a good option.

The ammonia and PH monitoring are just gravy added on top. IMO even if you dont use those things, you are not going to find a PAR meter that is this accurate for less money I dont think. The fact that you can use it to monitor those other things is just an added bonus really. I do find that the ammonia and PH tabs are a bit much though. I dont think i am interested in paying $11 a month for each tab, but who knows, maybe down the road .

BTW, BRS changed their tune on this because of what i Just said. They originally didnt think it was worth the money, and were skeptical of the accuracy of the PAR meter. After testing it against the high end one, that changed their minds alone.

Have any links to reviews/comparisons to higher end PAR meters? Most of what I have read thus far has been very mixed on how accurate the meter is. It seems most people were not very happy with the accuracy.

 

[torqued]

BRS did their own test. It's on the latest BRS tv episode. Week 47 I think

I have to say, the BRS tv is a really really fantastic resource. While they are selling product, I think overall they do a very good job of staying fairly neutral and focusing on sound advice for the reefer to decide on. I consider myself a pretty knowledgeable reefer, and I will admit, I still find watching the videos to be very helpful, and watch them frequently.

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[axio]

Torqued;1087056 wrote: BRS did their own test. It's on the latest BRS tv episode. Week 47 I think

I have to say, the BRS tv is a really really fantastic resource. While they are selling product, I think overall they do a very good job of staying fairly neutral and focusing on sound advice for the reefer to decide on. I consider myself a pretty knowledgeable reefer, and I will admit, I still find watching the videos to be very helpful, and watch them frequently.

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I very much enjoy the BRS videos and I tend to watch them for ideas on how to present to my crew on new products. But BRS being one of the only vendors selling the Seneye right now I don't think it's appropriate to take their review as accurate. Just too much conflict of interest there in my opinion. Also even though there are only 8 reviews so far... BRS has a 3 star customer rating on the product.

I would really like to see an outside reputable party review and some more feed back on it. Mainly because it is something on our radar to possibly stock at the store. We have been looking for an alternative to Neptune to stock as a 2nd option for our customers and we have yet to find anything close to being worth stocking. Even the lack of good OR bad reviews is a bad indicator.

 

[torqued]

Didn't know they were the only distribution...good point

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[danh]

Does no one here have a high dollar par meter? Someone here has a seneye. . And I'm still considering getting one. We can test it.

 

[danh]

ttt - anyone have a decent meter they want to test with the Seneye? I'll buy it if we can get a good comparison done.