So are we causing havoc to our reefs?

Weird.....it's a few huge articles....I pulled it up from my iPhone no problem....idk...sry about that...
 
rolo65;577786 wrote: http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/the_sky_is_falling_or_revising_the_nine_times_rule/">http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/the_sky_is_falling_or_revising_the_nine_times_rule/</a>

You have to click the links within the article....it is very long and complex....and there is a very good chance you won't comprehend it the first time....not in a mean way....but in a it's freakin confusing way....[/QUOTE]

The author/geologist is arguing the same basic principle I was stating (but of course, he uses facts, science, history, data, etc..)

bottom line.. man is the proverbial gnat in the face of the global climate machine..
 
Rbredding;580050 wrote: bottom line.. man is the proverbial gnat in the face of the global climate machine..

Precisely.....climatically we are nothing but a slight annoyance in the natural processes....(yes I basically restated your gnat metaphor... :D )
 
I can tell you from Florida there are Lionfish in the Caribbean because someone in Miami lost a tank during Hurricane Andrew... The coastal reefs in so-fla down to the keys were eaten by pencil urchins... and I knew of an LFS dumping "sick fish" into the intercoastal which apparently ended up thriving but, I doubt hawaiian tangs are a huge problem.
 
<span style="font-size: 13px"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman">Interesting thoughts. I considered all this in the past few months while researching for my first tank. I realize we can not change where our personal lives fall in the history of technology and technique for rearing such wildlife, however, we can (and to the best of our intensions do) practice at the peak of our abilities. I feel our hobby is at or near a turning point where many threatened species could be preserved in public and private aquaculture, and I ask the question, could any of these be saved if not for the trial and error of generations past? It&#8217;s far too complex for me to understand if the overall has been good or bad to this point, but I feel we have very positive potential in the future, and that is the part of the industry which we can yet change.<span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: Verdana"></span></span></span></span>
 
Frantz;591626 wrote: <span style="font-size: 13px"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman">Interesting thoughts. I considered all this in the past few months while researching for my first tank. I realize we can not change where our personal lives fall in the history of technology and technique for rearing such wildlife, however, we can (and to the best of our intensions do) practice at the peak of our abilities. I feel our hobby is at or near a turning point where many threatened species could be preserved in public and private aquaculture, and I ask the question, could any of these be saved if not for the trial and error of generations past? It’s far too complex for me to understand if the overall has been good or bad to this point, but I feel we have very positive potential in the future, and that is the part of the industry which we can yet change.</span></span>

This is a very good point! With many things... once knowledge is gained and lessons are learned, we (as intelligent producers and consumers) are able to produce products that cease to take from nature (and in some cases give back). As an example or two (synthetic rubber has eliminated the need to "milk" rubber trees). As VAST majority of the food we eat is grown and harvested as opposed to taking from the wild. Dogs and cats are no longer taken from the wild and in the US, almost all exotic birds are now domestically bred and reared. Please don't read into this that all is perfect and good... Yes there are problems as well. If yet to encounter a story that didn't have two sides :lol2:

However, it is not hard to see a near future, where the loins share of corals and other livestock will be aqua cultured and captive bred (capitalism at its finest :), thus the possibility of supplying the large majority of demand as well as restoring or replanting into the wild is not hard to fathom.

But, the price of learning, is not free. There is always a cost. Perhaps we can help insure that the future ends will have justified the past means...

:cheers:


johnny
 
Dakota9;577608 wrote: I'm good with that!

Let's adopt a Reef!

I'm hoping to do something like that with the club in 2011. The devil is in the details, of course, but I want to see us get more involved with conservation and the reefs outside our tanks, and this is one way of doing exactly that.
 
Ok I got a dumb question for you! How much of the total reef here in the state of Georgia. Do you is owned by arc past and present users, members, and sponsors? Would you think 50% or maby even 25% what do you think?
 
mojo;591870 wrote: I'm hoping to do something like that with the club in 2011. The devil is in the details, of course, but I want to see us get more involved with conservation and the reefs outside our tanks, and this is one way of doing exactly that.

:up:
 
Well point being I bet if all arc members n users where to buy aquacultured corals we would impact .5% maby even 1% of the global market for corals. Face it the Atlanta market is a huge base of consumption of the reef. Sure California and Florida are probably the biggest 2. But who do you really thinks next? If we just all came together here in Georgia here on arc we could change the world. We need to cut back on punishing folks for selling aquacultured corals here first off and encourage it. I'd be willing to help set up a page here on arc. We could call it aquacultured yard sale or something. Where we ask you post a pic of a mother colony let's say 2 months in advance before you can sell that frag. N your not allowed to sell the colony on that page. So folks know these are being grown out. Maby allow 1 post a month on here so we can keep the bAd folk from trying to make a business out of it. But as it is now alot of folks don't post there aquacultured items because our current heavy hand on commercial sales. Not that I'm condoning it. Just like in my case I've been warned already 1 time for comercial sales and I don't believe I have ever posted in the forsale thread. So I don't feel comfortable fragging out my aquacultured items here n help to save our reefs. Shoot n I know I have at least 50 different kinds of Zoas alone I could frag. Maby you could even make it a 500$ limit a year or something.
 
RaisedOnNintendo;591978 wrote: We need to cut back on punishing folks for selling aquacultured corals here first off and encourage it
I don't really know how to respond to the rest of your post, but where on this site has anyone been "punished" for selling aquacultured corals? Technically, every "frag" sold is aquacultured....
 
RaisedOnNintendo;591978 wrote: Well point being I bet if all arc members n users where to buy aquacultured corals we would impact .5% maby even 1% of the global market for corals. Face it the Atlanta market is a huge base of consumption of the reef. Sure California and Florida are probably the biggest 2. But who do you really thinks next? If we just all came together here in Georgia here on arc we could change the world. We need to cut back on punishing folks for selling aquacultured corals here first off and encourage it. I'd be willing to help set up a page here on arc. We could call it aquacultured yard sale or something. Where we ask you post a pic of a mother colony let's say 2 months in advance before you can sell that frag. N your not allowed to sell the colony on that page. So folks know these are being grown out. Maby allow 1 post a month on here so we can keep the bAd folk from trying to make a business out of it. But as it is now alot of folks don't post there aquacultured items because our current heavy hand on commercial sales. Not that I'm condoning it. Just like in my case I've been warned already 1 time for comercial sales and I don't believe I have ever posted in the forsale thread. So I don't feel comfortable fragging out my aquacultured items here n help to save our reefs. Shoot n I know I have at least 50 different kinds of Zoas alone I could frag. Maby you could even make it a 500$ limit a year or something.


wth are you saying?
 
mysterybox;592062 wrote: wth are you saying?
:confused2::confused2:
Simply that the City of Atlanta could change the world. How did you read it?
 
We could save the reef here now. That I bet Georgia buys out 1/2 a percent of the total reef that get destroyed. If we stoped buying anything but aquaculture corals we could make a huge impact. But currently doing so here is near impossible. Comprenda
 
MvM;592060 wrote: I don't really know how to respond to the rest of your post, but where on this site has anyone been "punished" for selling aquacultured corals? Technically, every "frag" sold is aquacultured....

If someone feels like calling it a commercial sale. You would get your punishment via pm from mod or you would be baned. They r pretty good hear about not posting it publicly. Although if you must just look thru complaints to find your info you desire. I don't want to hash up someone elses garbage.
 
RaisedOnNintendo;592082 wrote: We could save the reef here now. That I bet Georgia buys out 1/2 a percent of the total reef that get destroyed. If we stoped buying anything but aquaculture corals we could make a huge impact. But currently doing so here is near impossible. Comprenda

got it!

95% of my coral is aqua-cultured.....fish on the other hand....
 
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