swap 75 to 120 ???

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Time to get things together to make the move. How do I go about making the swap. I have the 75 where the 120 is going. I have a couple of things that need to be done to the stand area and I need to plumb the new sump. so it will be down for a couple of days.
So I was thinking of getting a 100gal stock tank and putting the sump beside it and pump to the stock tank and put a bulkhead on the stock tank and let it flow over to the sump. now what to do with the LR and sand? I want to replace the sand
 
As you know, I am pretty new to this too but.......

If you go with a large stock tank, put the live rock and livestock in it and just make sure you maintain good flow and aeration, I believe you will be fine for a few days. No real need to tie the sump in IMO. I would test the water each day and be prepared to do some water changes but other than that, it should be fine. As for the sand, if you are going to replace it anyway, just leave it until all livestock is out of the tank then file it in the circular file. :-)
 
why are you replacing sand? worse case rinse it but if your 75 has been up for awhile you will have a huge pod family that will be beneficial in the 120. Check around here you might find someone with a stock tank already setup you could borrow or rent for a couple of days. Unless you plan to use the stock tank for makeup water then your idea is pretty sound but I agree with Rich I wouldn't worry too much about the sump for a day or 2 as long as you keep a couple good powerheads creating flow in stock tank.
 
Toss the sand. Several members here have had tanks crash because of the excess nutrients stored in sand that get disturbed when moving tanks.


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We usually toss the sand in a move/swap. However, Eagle's tank hasn't been up and running for that long, correct? If it has been kept vacuumed it might be OK to keep, but if it hasn't been kept vacuumed, I'd scrap it and get new.

Jenn
 
<span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: Verdana">The sand was used and real DIRTY when I got it. It took me 1-1/2 weeks to get the dust storm to settle. I finally had to use a 5 micron filter. It has been vacuumed several times but not with every weekly WC. The sand I have I think is Fiji pink but moves around too easy. I was thinking of going with special floor reef grade. It looks a little bit larger. I have a sand sifting star fish and a twin spot goby at the moment. Also the sand has some black pieces here and there and it makes the sand LQQK dirty IMO. </span></span>
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<span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: Verdana">I have not decided about the sump though. It has a lot of pods and the sand is 2&#8221; deep and never vacuumed same as from the DT. it was stirred up several times during the setup to clear the dust from the sand.</span></span>
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<span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: Verdana">I would feel safer if I moved it and used the sump as it will/could be there 2 weeks. As I still have some plumbing to do on the new tank and I prefer to leak test and wash the glue fumes out of the pipes and such. I just don&#8217;t want to feel rushed. </span></span>

Edit: it only been up for about 5 months
 
I would agree with the sump if you plan on running a skimmer in it during the change over. But if you are not running the skimmer the only affect the sump will have is a higher overall water volume (which isn't a bad thing). It would also allow you to leave more room in the main tank by splitting the rock up. As for filtration, the LR will do that with or without the sump. Seems to me, a waste of time and money plumbing in the sump unless you can reuse the plumbing. But that is just MHO. And we all know what they say about opinions don't we? :-)
 
i was thinking simple bulkhead a chesse overflow cantainer from wally world and a 90* elbow to flow in the sump and some flex hose for the return. not in it for a picture show.

Edit: <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: Verdana">What are your thoughts on using this sand? Seafloor special grade reef sand. If it’s a good choice or not. I think what I have in the tank now is mixed, Fiji pink some ollite and some black pieces about 1/8” . </span></span>
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<span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: Verdana">I have bought two 20# Fiji pink live sands first and then found one 40# Seafloor dry sand. </span></span>
<span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: Verdana">I think the later is better just have not heard anyone say much about it.</span></span>
<span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: Verdana">I think I’m going to swap out the dry for the live so I won’t have to rinse it. some say to rinse it but all the people that install tanks say dump and go with the live sand that’s in the bag. </span></span>
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<span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: Verdana">How much sand will I need? I have 80# now and I’m thinking about putting starboard down first under the rocks. So may be another 20# or 40#? </span></span>
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<span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: Verdana">So now that I have confused you. In short is what’s the best option for sand and how much and if the later is a good choice. </span></span>
 
I'm following, as I've been thinking for months how I would go about changing out my tank without losing livestock
 
Everybody does things a little bit different. However, there are a few things to understand that might help you figure out what will work best for you. I'm sure I won't capture everything here but perhaps it will help and maybe others can contribute too.

1. Many times you will need to partially drain the tank to get the lifestock out. Keep as much tank water as possible and try to siphon as much off as possible before disturbing items in the tank.

2. Liverock WILL have detritus in it and when that is disturbed (by you moving it around), it can and will foul the water it is in. Depending on how concentrated that water is, you may not want to use it in the end.

3. As mentioned, sand is a throw-away. It's cheap to buy and a bear to try and clean. Just replace it. $50 now beats losing livestock after you've changed the tank.

4. Everything will get stressed, adding to the mess in the water.

That being said, I've swapped tanks and moved across country with virtually no losses a couple of times by doing this...

1. Buy & pre-rinse all your sand ahead of time. Store in fresh salt water in closed 5 gallon buckets.

2. pre-mix and pre-heat as much water as you can. You WILL use it.

3. capture as much tank water as you can and reuse it as it is a known stable environment.

4. store your livestock in a cooler or tub with heat, aeration and some flow. They can survive without light and be in this environment for up to a week without loss.

5. Liverock kept in temp-controlled water will be fine for 1-2 days but expect it to start dying off & stinking after that.

6. Keep the corals separate from the livestock wherever possible and don't reuse the water from it.

Personally, I kept my fish & corals in separate containers that were 70% new mix water, 30% tank water. I bottled up tank water and reused it, ultimately using about 50% of the "old" tank water in the new setup.

Add your sand, do your aquascaping, and let that come to temp and settle before putting any fish/corals back in.

PLAN PLAN PLAN... You can't plan enough to do this. Avoid doing it over hoilday weekends or times when home depot/etc or LFS are closed. Extra buckets, towels & MONEY will always be necessary.

A tank move will take at LEAST one full day if not 2-4. Many people underestimate the amount of time it takes to move a tank. They fail to account for time to plumb, wire, level, etc etc etc, and when they fail to account for the time, their livestock starts dying because they weren't prepared to deal with it.
 
Agree with all but #3,

There is ZERO benefit to using old water - if not less than zero...
 
LilRobb;747205 wrote: Agree with all but #3,

There is ZERO benefit to using old water - if not less than zero...

Was kind of my thoughts too. No bacteria lives in the water column so the only thing you would be bringing over with the water is the nitrate. JMO Just make sure the new water has the same parameters as the old and you are golden. Oh, and make sure to acclimate just like everything was coming from an LFS.
 
My thoughts are this. I have a 100gal stock tank now and overflow it to the sump. Set the stock tank up just like it is in the tank even with the lights over top. As it will be there all next week. I have several things to do to the tank area that i did not do during the first setup.

This way i can add more water now and then when i move them i can add more water then. I will have to use some of the sand as i have a sand sifting star fish and a twin spot goby .
 
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