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It was a anti-bacterial others had used to get rid of cyano.
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It was a anti-bacterial others had used to get rid of cyano.
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Darn ...that sux.
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I started Skimming really wet and running carbon through a reactor. The skimmate was red and so was the water for about 4 hours. I just watched as my corals slimmed away to nothing.
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I just read back through this and realized I hadn't actually mentioned it was Erythromycin that I added to the tank to get rid of the cyano. I'll take the blame for not noticing the amount of cyano I hd in my tank. I was looking at just the sand and some of the rocks. Now that I've killed off all of the cyano I notice most of my rocks were covered in it. The dose of Erythromycin was enough to kill all of the cyano I had and spike the water with ammonia and burn all the sps to death. I do still have some polyps on some of them and I hope they can make a recovery. It makes me sick every time I look at the tank right now.
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it wasn't neccessarily your cyno bacteria that caused the crash, your whole biological filtration is based on different strains of bacteria to turn your ammonia into trites, into trates, that you killed! Never ever ever put an anti-biotic into a reef tank. Kinds late advice I know. Sorry man.
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In my defense.
ERYTHROMYCIN IS AN ANTIBIOTIC.
Erythromycin is more efficient towards G(+) bacteria than G(-). It is one of the safest antibiotics, meaning that it does not affect plants, fish or animals. Blue-green bacteria belongs to the G(-) bacteria but it is a special case with respect to sensitivity to antibiotics (i’m on thin ice here, but I think I am correct). They are more sensitive to erythromycin than other G(-) bacteria. Fortunately, the bacteria important for the nitrogen cycle (your biofilter) are of the G(-) type and are much less sensitive to erythromycin than the blue-green bacteria. So your biological filter is “fairly” safe.
The reason that some tanks experience an ammonia peak after treatment with erythromycin is (probably) not because the biological filter is non-functional. It is more likely that it is because of the high content of protein released from the dead blue-green bacteria which is broken down to ammonia and/or nitrite by the “good” nitrifying bacteria in your biofilter. This boost of protein to be broken down upsets the finely tuned balance of different bacteria in your filter. (Actually, if you killed of all bacteria in your tank and filter, you would never get ammonia).
In many countries in Europe there are restrictions on buying antibiotics. You usually need a prescription. I suggest contacting a vet. If he can prescribe antibiotics for a mouse I’m sure he can do the same for your tank. Remember, your tank is infected.
http://freshaquarium.about.com/cs/maintenance1/p/algaeslime.htm"><span style="color: #0066cc">http://freshaquarium.about.com/cs/maintenance1/p/algaeslime.htm</span></a>
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ERYTHROMYCIN IS AN ANTIBIOTIC.
Erythromycin is more efficient towards G(+) bacteria than G(-). It is one of the safest antibiotics, meaning that it does not affect plants, fish or animals. Blue-green bacteria belongs to the G(-) bacteria but it is a special case with respect to sensitivity to antibiotics (i’m on thin ice here, but I think I am correct). They are more sensitive to erythromycin than other G(-) bacteria. Fortunately, the bacteria important for the nitrogen cycle (your biofilter) are of the G(-) type and are much less sensitive to erythromycin than the blue-green bacteria. So your biological filter is “fairly” safe.
The reason that some tanks experience an ammonia peak after treatment with erythromycin is (probably) not because the biological filter is non-functional. It is more likely that it is because of the high content of protein released from the dead blue-green bacteria which is broken down to ammonia and/or nitrite by the “good” nitrifying bacteria in your biofilter. This boost of protein to be broken down upsets the finely tuned balance of different bacteria in your filter. (Actually, if you killed of all bacteria in your tank and filter, you would never get ammonia).
In many countries in Europe there are restrictions on buying antibiotics. You usually need a prescription. I suggest contacting a vet. If he can prescribe antibiotics for a mouse I’m sure he can do the same for your tank. Remember, your tank is infected.
http://freshaquarium.about.com/cs/maintenance1/p/algaeslime.htm"><span style="color: #0066cc">http://freshaquarium.about.com/cs/maintenance1/p/algaeslime.htm</span></a>
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After a 50 gallon water change yesterday everything looks..better. All the SPS still look like the pictures. The LPS are hang'n in for now. Button polyps and zoas are open but look like they got run over. I only lost one Bluesided wrasse and I don't think I'll miss him. He was always harrassing the other fish.
Since I don't have a calcium reactor I'll have some really good media for some someone that's looking. I can bring it to the meeting tonight.
Since I don't have a calcium reactor I'll have some really good media for some someone that's looking. I can bring it to the meeting tonight.
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Sorry to hear about your loss. SPS are tricky and can died at the drop of a hat! I'll take the skeletons for my calcium reactors!
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That bites. Those look like they were gorgeous colonies. :sad:
I've heard of people using that anti-bacterial to combat cyano as well. It appears to be a lil too effective...
I've heard of people using that anti-bacterial to combat cyano as well. It appears to be a lil too effective...
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It breaks my hear to see such nice colonies kick the bucket...
I can give you a large frag of the first one pictured as I'm sure that's starry night. No idea what the second one is, but I do have frags of the third and fourth you're welcome to as well.
I can give you a large frag of the first one pictured as I'm sure that's starry night. No idea what the second one is, but I do have frags of the third and fourth you're welcome to as well.
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Thanks, I'll take any help I can. I'll be at the meeting tonight if anyone wants to help out. I would really appreciate it.
As I was telling Perry....I have used this medicine MANY times without any incident other than the Cyano was gone.....
It's like me using Flatworm Exit.....killed my fish, but others use it without fail...
Who the hell knows, S-it happens as they say....
We will fill your tank son enough
It's like me using Flatworm Exit.....killed my fish, but others use it without fail...
Who the hell knows, S-it happens as they say....
We will fill your tank son enough
