Bryopsis-Ugh!

[jef4y]

So not to hijack your thread Dave, but to share my progress last night...

I went to home depot & picked up some more 1/2" tubing. I spent an hour siphoning from the top, into a filter sock in the sump. This was pretty cool because I could literally do it until I got sick & tired of pulling bryopsis out of the tank.

What I would do is suck up the longest strands & put my finger over the end of the hose, pinching it off and then pulling it off the rock/sand. After about an hour I had gone through the worst I could find and the result was a MASSIVE wad of algae. Literally the size of a softball and about 2-3lbs. Just CRAZY.

Hopefully I can do this every few days to keep on top of it and give the Tech M and AlgaeFix a chance to knock this crap out.

I will say that the last 2 months have been the first time I've ever considered getting out...

 

[sewer urchin]

I will say that the last 2 months have been the first time I've ever considered getting out...

Don't do it Jeff, at least don't do because of bryopsis. I was right there on the edge as well. You can get rid of this stuff. If (or when) I have to battle this again, I'll do manual removal, H2O2, carbon dosing to stop it. Don't think I'll try Tech M (or other Mag tricks). Willing to give AlgaeFixa try!

 

[jef4y]

Tech M is the only thing that has reliably worked in the past. I wouldn't try any other magnesium as it's not the MG, it's other items in the mix that are killing it. Algae Fix reportedly will NOT kill bryopsis as the algae has pores that are too large, and they are able to heal themselves quite fast. I'm hoping that a combination can kill it.

Lighting & nutrient export are not really effective. Bryposis will grow in the dark, and requires almost no nutrients.

H202, well, I'd need to break down my entire tank to do it. If I went rock by rock, by the time I got through the tank, I'd need to start over. It's just a no-win situation right now, and I'm just HOPING that I can get the right combination to make it work.

 

[rhyerob]

Hey you may want to check your tank for heavy metal poisoning as well. A little bit of rust from a nail, screw, or even a pipe clamp can really fuel algae growth with little to no phosphates. Or at least that was the presumed cause in my case when I had an outbreak

 

[ralph atl]

Rhyerob;865325 wrote: Hey you may want to check your tank for heavy metal poisoning as well. A little bit of rust from a nail, screw, or even a pipe clamp can really fuel algae growth with little to no phosphates. Or at least that was the presumed cause in my case when I had an outbreak

Where, how, who gave you such misinformation?

GFO is basically rust....granulated ferric oxide

Phosguard is Aluminum based

Copper is an algaecide

 

[ralph atl]

I guess a soluable iron could make it a richer green like your lawn....

 

[heathlindner25]

mysterybox;865332 wrote: where, how, who gave you such misinformation?

Gfo is basically rust....granulated ferric oxide

phosguard is aluminum based

copper is an algaecide

+1

 

[rhyerob]

mysterybox;865332 wrote: Where, how, who gave you such misinformation?

GFO is basically rust....granulated ferric oxide

Phosguard is Aluminum based

Copper is an algaecide

Dude, I could have a field day with this statement.

Well for one you can look at an article written mar/apr 2013 by Daniel Knop titled "Reefkeeping 101: Heavy-metal Poisoning". I don't consider citing Daniel Knop misinformation. He has this wonderful publication called CORAL MAGAZINE. Since I don't know you, I think I'm going to take his word over yours.

secondly all of the metals you just listed are toxic to inverts in the aquarium. In a high enough concentration each one of them are toxic to everything in the aquarium.

Third GFO and Phosban are contained within cartridges that never escape and enter the aquarium. They perform their tasks in isolation and if escaped in high volume, it would destroy the Ecosystem. Furthermore, with each of those they are incased by some sort of materials that prevents free-flowing metals from escaping into the aquarium.
I know some are thinking "they make artificial reefs out of steel!". Yes they do. But they also don't contain the rust in five walls of glass.

Since I'm at work I'll let my case rest.

http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2002-08/rs/feature/">http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2002-08/rs/feature/</a>

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[rhyerob]

Citation on GFO being Ferric Oxide incased in crystalline form

 

[jef4y]

Yay! Here we go. And to think, we just put the rulers away from the contest between Jeremy & Ralph...

 

[ralph atl]

Rhyerob;865541 wrote: Dude, I could have a field day with this statement.

Well for one you can look at an article written mar/apr 2013 by Daniel Knop titled "Reefkeeping 101: Heavy-metal Poisoning". I don't consider citing Daniel Knop misinformation. He has this wonderful publication called CORAL MAGAZINE. Since I don't know you, I think I'm going to take his word over yours.

secondly all of the metals you just listed are toxic to inverts in the aquarium. In a high enough concentration each one of them are toxic to everything in the aquarium.

Third GFO and Phosban are contained within cartridges that never escape and enter the aquarium. They perform their tasks in isolation and if escaped in high volume, it would destroy the Ecosystem. Furthermore, with each of those they are incased by some sort of materials that prevents free-flowing metals from escaping into the aquarium.
I know some are thinking "they make artificial reefs out of steel!". Yes they do. But they also don't contain the rust in five walls of glass.

Since I'm at work I'll let my case rest.

http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2002-08/rs/feature/">http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2002-08/rs/feature/</a>

[IMG]http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134208">http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134208</a>

[IMG]http://www.lenntech.com/periodic/water/aluminium/aluminum-and-water.htm">http://www.lenntech.com/periodic/water/aluminium/aluminum-and-water.htm</a>[/QUOTE]



You can try and test and eliminate metals, that's not nessessarlity a bad thing, However, excess nutrients is the number 1 reason why we experience , generally speaking, invasive Algae in our tanks....

Briposis needs very little light, nutrients too, so a secondary method like tech m, etc is needed...

So why I don't doubt some tanks could have excessive metals, they are not , generally speaking, the first and foremost reason why we have invasive algae growing ravenous in our tanks...

Edit: I havnt had a chance to read your stuff, will do at a future date....

Edit: I looked very briefly at what you posted, and I agree that Aluminum and most metals in high enough concentrations are toxic, I just don't see that as an area to check when dealing with Bryopsis, and hair algae, etc....

There is little correlation with each other....


Unless nitrates and phosphates are considered metals? Lol

 

[acroholic]

Rhyerob;865541 wrote: Dude, I could have a field day with this statement.

Well for one you can look at an article written mar/apr 2013 by Daniel Knop titled "Reefkeeping 101: Heavy-metal Poisoning". I don't consider citing Daniel Knop misinformation. He has this wonderful publication called CORAL MAGAZINE. Since I don't know you, I think I'm going to take his word over yours.

secondly all of the metals you just listed are toxic to inverts in the aquarium. In a high enough concentration each one of them are toxic to everything in the aquarium.

Third GFO and Phosban are contained within cartridges that never escape and enter the aquarium. They perform their tasks in isolation and if escaped in high volume, it would destroy the Ecosystem. Furthermore, with each of those they are incased by some sort of materials that prevents free-flowing metals from escaping into the aquarium.
I know some are thinking "they make artificial reefs out of steel!". Yes they do. But they also don't contain the rust in five walls of glass.

Since I'm at work I'll let my case rest.

http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2002-08/rs/feature/">http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2002-08/rs/feature/</a>

[IMG]http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134208">http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134208</a>

[IMG]http://www.lenntech.com/periodic/water/aluminium/aluminum-and-water.htm">http://www.lenntech.com/periodic/water/aluminium/aluminum-and-water.htm</a>[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=][B]Rhyerob;865325 wrote:[/B] Hey you may want to check your tank for heavy metal poisoning as well. A little bit of rust from a nail, screw, or even a pipe clamp can really fuel algae growth with little to no phosphates. Or at least that was the presumed cause in my case when I had an outbreak[/QUOTE]

I don't understand what your correlation between heavy metals poisoning and algae growth is? None of your cited articles talk about metals fueling algae growth at all, or make any mention of algae as it relates to heavy metal poisoning whatsoever. They only mention the destructive potential of any too-high concentration of trace elements. How does this support your first statement about that at all?

Did the Knop article state that Iron could fuel an algae outbreak?

 

[jennm]

Interesting...

Iron is frequently used as a supplement in freshwater planted tanks, and I've seen (but not used) iron supplements for saltwater refugiums... so theoretically at least, iron helps plants grow, ergo it could help unwanted algae grow...

Jenn

 

[rhyerob]

mysterybox;865548 wrote: You can try and test and eliminate metals, that's not nessessarlity a bad thing, However, excess nutrients is the number 1 reason why we experience , generally speaking, invasive Algae in our tanks....

Briposis needs very little light, nutrients too, so a secondary method like tech m, etc is needed...

So why I don't doubt some tanks could have excessive metals, they are not , generally speaking, the first and foremost reason why we have invasive algae growing ravenous in our tanks...

Edit: I havnt had a chance to read your stuff, will do at a future date....

Edit: I looked very briefly at what you posted, and I agree that Aluminum and most metals in high enough concentrations are toxic, I just don't see that as an area to check when dealing with Bryopsis, and hair algae, etc....

There is little correlation with each other....


Unless nitrates and phosphates are considered metals? Lol

I never said that heavy metal poisoning is the first reason why you have algae I merely stated that it could be a possibility. you're putting words in the my mouth.

 

[rhyerob]

Acroholic;865584 wrote: I don't understand what your correlation between heavy metals poisoning and algae growth is? None of your cited articles talk about metals fueling algae growth at all, or make any mention of algae as it relates to heavy metal poisoning whatsoever. They only mention the destructive potential of any too-high concentration of trace elements. How does this support your first statement about that at all?

Did the Knop article state that Iron could fuel an algae outbreak?

The three Internet citations were to prove that heavy metal poisoning exists and is therefore toxic. The Knop article is indeed the one that I was referring to as proof. That is why I lead off with it.

 

[rhyerob]

JennM;865585 wrote: Interesting...

Iron is frequently used as a supplement in freshwater planted tanks, and I've seen (but not used) iron supplements for saltwater refugiums... so theoretically at least, iron helps plants grow, ergo it could help unwanted algae grow...

Jenn

Thank you Jenn,

 

[ralph atl]

Pinestraw will decompose, therefore creating nutrients that will fuel algae growth....just saying......

 

[rhyerob]

mysterybox;865637 wrote: Pinestraw will decompose, therefore creating nutrients that will fuel algae growth....just saying......

Now you're just trolling. I was merely trying to help Arcoholic think outside the box to find the solution. Tech M does not solve the "what's fueling the byropsis" problem. It "fixes" it. And who said anything about pinestraw? No doubt decomposing matter fuels algal growth.

I wasn't trying to be rude after you told me I was misinformed without informing yourself. I'm sure that I came off that way since I had very little time to be politically correct (at work). But the bottom line is, I wasn't saying you were wrong about phosphates and nitrates...I merely gave you another variable. You weren't wrong until you dismissed my help as lunacy.

 

[ralph atl]

Rhyerob;865667 wrote: Now you're just trolling. I was merely trying to help Arcoholic think outside the box to find the solution. Tech M does not solve the "what's fueling the bryopsis" problem. It "fixes" it. And who said anything about pinestraw? No doubt decomposing matter fuels algal growth.

I wasn't trying to be rude after you told me I was misinformed without informing yourself. I'm sure that I came off that way since I had very little time to be politically correct (at work). But the bottom line is, I wasn't saying you were wrong about phosphates and nitrates...I merely gave you another variable. You weren't wrong until you dismissed my help as lunacy.

unfortunately, you aren't adding any informative and intelligent information related to the op's problem, hence, the quips.........

.........and Sorry, DAVE...I'm out! lol (he must be a Bama fan, d'uh!....THAT explains everything!)

 

[rhyerob]

Amazing. You give citations and someone still says that you're not adding anything intelligent to the discussion.