Bryopsis-Ugh!

Rhyerob;865595 wrote: The three Internet citations were to prove that heavy metal poisoning exists and is therefore toxic. The Knop article is indeed the one that I was referring to as proof. That is why I lead off with it.

Hehe...I thought you were trying to help JeF4y think outside the box on his algae farm issue, not me. I only had a single branch of bryopsis, But yes, it is common sense to know that too high a concentration of any trace (metal or not) is not going to be good for reef life. This 93 gallon has had a lot of different corals introduced, and any of them could easily have had a bit of bryopsis on it, including the torch I saw the sprig on. I target feed different corals in this tank a lot, so I'm sure there are plenty of nutrients for algae in it.

I couldn't find the Knop article online without having to subscribe. I'll try to pickup a hard copy of the mag in a LFS.
 
Acroholic;865676 wrote: Hehe...I thought you were trying to help JeF4y think outside the box on his algae farm issue, not me. I only had a single branch of bryopsis, But yes, it is common sense to know that too high a concentration of any trace (metal or not) is not going to be good for reef life. This 93 gallon has had a lot of different corals introduced, and any of them could easily have had a bit of bryopsis on it, including the torch I saw the sprig on. I target feed different corals in this tank a lot, so I'm sure there are plenty of nutrients for algae in it.

I couldn't find the Knop article online without having to subscribe. I'll try to pickup a hard copy of the mag in a LFS.

You are correct sir. I Got mixed up on who had the farm!
 
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Actually.... This article was very helpful for me. I think i know why my 93 was starting to go down towards the end. When i broke it down, I found a magnet from a magnetic frag plug that had fallen in my overflow and broken down. When i picked it up, it pretty much just flaked apart. I wonder if that was the cause of the bubble algae. When i moved a few pieces that had bubble algae over to the 210, the bubble algae mysteriously disappeared....

Edit: AND, I had the magnetic sand! FUDGE!
 
No...but, using context clues from jeffy you must be Ralph.

Here's the problem with a product like Tech M...it's temporary. It works, yes...but it releases a massive amount of nutrients back into the water column in the form of the now dead algae. It doesn't solve your problem. It's patches it.

Given enough time those nutrients could come back to haunt you again. Yes you skim out some of the nutrients...yes you lose alot in water changes. But you don't completely remove those nutrients. Furthermore you haven't solved the problem of why they are there in the first place.

Are you over feeding?

Under skimming?

Too much light?

Did you add dry base rock which could leach phosphates?

Have you let detritus accumulate at the bottom of the sump or in the live rock? (siphon of bottom, use powerhead on rocks to blow off)

And (gasp) is there any rust finding its way into the aquarium?

Without curbing your actions as normal you are certain to repeat the past.

I personally like the siphon and pinch method...it prevents further infestation as a small portion of a sprig can create a new colony. Coupled with complete removal and a small amount of hydrogen peroxide, as well as curbing bad habits, I was able to beat my problem.
 
rhyerob;865325 wrote: hey you may want to check your tank for heavy metal poisoning as well. A little bit of rust from a nail, screw, or even a pipe clamp can really fuel algae growth with little to no phosphates. Or at least that was the presumed cause in my case when i had an outbreak




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Hey Ryerob!

Peace, and have a great night! Please accept my apologies for my pointedly playful quips and banter.....:-)
 
Thank you for posting the article pictures. Very interesting read. Maybe excess iron can give nuisance algae growth rates a boost.

I used Tech M in a 300 gallon SPS reef and it stayed gone. The tank contents are now in my 465 gallon, and bryopsis is still gone. This was 4+ years ago. Bryopsis can be reintroduced with new corals, etc, as can any nuisance algae. But if it is not in a system to start with, no amount of excess nutrients will bring it back.

If I see it reappear at all in my 93 gallon reef, I will use Tech M just as I did 4 years ago in my 300 gallon reef.

Another point about bryopsis is that it needs very little in the way of nutrients to grow and thrive. IME, having a bryopsis issue is not necessarily an indicator of nutrient issues in the tank, although excess nutrients could certainly cause it to grow faster. My 300 gallon SPS reef was by no means a ULNS system, but was certainly a LNS, as is my 465 gallon tank today.

Algae, including bryopsis and cyanobacteria, absorb nitrogenous waste directly from the water column, so even if you don't have waste in the form of uneaten food, for example, as long as you have fish, corals, and any other critters that continuously produce nitrogenous waste in the form of Urea and release it to the water column, there is food for the algae to consume and grow from, albeit the less nutrients the better.

I have personally never read of anyone that beat Bryopsis with only nutrient control. It seems to be mostly manual removal and chemical control (H202 or Tech M). The occaisional claim that Turbos or some other critters eat it, but nothing I have ever seen personally.
 
Ripped Tide;865714 wrote: Actually.... This article was very helpful for me. I think i know why my 93 was starting to go down towards the end. When i broke it down, I found a magnet from a magnetic frag plug that had fallen in my overflow and broken down. When i picked it up, it pretty much just flaked apart. I wonder if that was the cause of the bubble algae. When i moved a few pieces that had bubble algae over to the 210, the bubble algae mysteriously disappeared....

Edit: AND, I had the magnetic sand! FUDGE!

Glad I could help....sorry I was too late.
 
Forgot this:

And certainly, for anyone that wants to see if there is metal toxicity in their tank water, using a Poly Filter is a good place to start, as it can identify the metals it removes (at least copper, iron or aluminum) based on the color it turns.
 
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