did you know most parts of some Chinese motors are replaceable with parts from Honda? That's not sharing basic ideas and concepts, that stealing design. And in countries other than China, you can share ideas and pay a royalty to the person/company that came up with it. China just flat out steals it. It's cheaper because they don't have any investment in the product. That hinders competition, because why bother to be inventive if the market buys what currently exist, and making new innovation has not personal gain over the completion.
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<span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: Verdana">This is not about competition, suggesting that is ridiculous. </span></span>
<span style="font-family: Calibri"><span style="font-size: 13px">This is plain theft. </span></span>
<span style="font-family: Calibri"><span style="font-size: 13px">See fake Rolex, Louis Vitton bags, Ipod’s, DVD’s, CD’s, perfumes, et cetera.</span></span>
<span style="font-family: Calibri"><span style="font-size: 13px">The impact of such “competition” has clearly been shown a 100 times over. Here is a good read, hopefully this will help you understand our viewpoint.</span></span>
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<span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: Verdana">This is not about competition, suggesting that is ridiculous. </span></span>
<span style="font-family: Calibri"><span style="font-size: 13px">This is plain theft. </span></span>
<span style="font-family: Calibri"><span style="font-size: 13px">See fake Rolex, Louis Vitton bags, Ipod’s, DVD’s, CD’s, perfumes, et cetera.</span></span>
<span style="font-family: Calibri"><span style="font-size: 13px">The impact of such “competition” has clearly been shown a 100 times over. Here is a good read, hopefully this will help you understand our viewpoint.</span></span>
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first off lets discuss the article. its 2 paragraphs. has 0 citations and one quote from an unnamed source that "denied being on record". and in these 2 paragraphs the author makes an outrages claim that hidden in the booths are products built on stolen technology... this could very well be true but the fact of the matter is THIS PARTICULAR SOURCE is completly unreliable. This article wouldnt hold up in an elementary school english class let alone in a message board filled with what i truly believe to be intelligent people. There is nothing but speculation and hersay in this article at best. 0 facts.
so with this being the case anyone using this article to say that these particular vortech knock offs are based off of stolen ideas simply doesnt have a leg to stand on. so i view this conversation as a discussion of chinese labor/parts entering the american market as a competitor which as i said before, how could anyone here be against options? now if someone wants to bring to the table any FACTS regarding a vortech knock off built on stolen technology we can have that discussion.
so with this being the case anyone using this article to say that these particular vortech knock offs are based off of stolen ideas simply doesnt have a leg to stand on. so i view this conversation as a discussion of chinese labor/parts entering the american market as a competitor which as i said before, how could anyone here be against options? now if someone wants to bring to the table any FACTS regarding a vortech knock off built on stolen technology we can have that discussion.
Soooo, what your saying is.... If you can't beat em join em?
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With all due respect, what the heck are you talking about?
I can confidently speak for all of us in opposition I believe... The article has nothing to do with this discussion. The statements of the OP is what makes me cringe "I can't wait for the knockoff vortech. I'd buy it and try it but the best part is it would more than likely force ecotech to lower the price of the real deal. "</em>
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I agree with their statement of how harmful that type of theft is . Kinda like complaining about my diesel truck producing air polution with a Marlboro hanging out of your mouth. You may have a valid point but your sincerity and credibility is pretty much shot.
Dine, you make a very good point about the article in question (the one posted by the OP). The company on the sheet is a Chinese expo company. The author is just speculating on what is going on behind the curtain. I believe the general discussion at hand came about as much to the OPs comments about being excited for "knockoff vortechs".
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YOU did when you purchased your home ( if that illegal workforce worked on it), the same as I would should I purchase one of those pumps. No?
in opposition of what? the op? the thread starts with a link to an article which the op responded to.... and since im not arguing with anyone in particular, i am pointing out the error that started this thread. The op's comments made you cringe, what made me cringe was the fact that everyone jumped on board with no facts, no proof, simply an opinion, based on what im not sure?
Again "I can't wait for the knockoff vortech. I'd buy it and try it but the best part is it would more than likely force ecotech to lower the price of the real deal."
Yes, that made me cringe. If you read the comments there after they follow in that opinion and then flow from that viewpoint. Your right, no one knows for certain whether or not this is the case but the discussion was based off that premise.
Yes, that made me cringe. If you read the comments there after they follow in that opinion and then flow from that viewpoint. Your right, no one knows for certain whether or not this is the case but the discussion was based off that premise.
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Most of use will eat the sweet honey and never complain about the bee hive until we get stung knowing it was there all along .
and i had a problem with that premise. if thats where this thread is headed then we are debating hypotheticals which cant possibly end with anyone leaving here more informed. so ill end with this:
If vortech knock offs (not even mentioned in the article.) are being made in china using stolen technology then we are in absolute agreement.
what i took from reading this thread was this though. Link was posted, i read the article then returned here and read op's post and further. got to the end and said what the heck are we arguing about? no one has brought anything of substance to this debate and simply wanted to point that out before people start getting upset (as these threads tend to do). i believe op made an uniformed comment that was as guilty as the author of the article. the discussion began from there about stolen technology when, until someone else brought it up, was not a part of the thread to begin with.
If vortech knock offs (not even mentioned in the article.) are being made in china using stolen technology then we are in absolute agreement.
what i took from reading this thread was this though. Link was posted, i read the article then returned here and read op's post and further. got to the end and said what the heck are we arguing about? no one has brought anything of substance to this debate and simply wanted to point that out before people start getting upset (as these threads tend to do). i believe op made an uniformed comment that was as guilty as the author of the article. the discussion began from there about stolen technology when, until someone else brought it up, was not a part of the thread to begin with.
When I read the article it was obvious to me that if China is copying anything it's the latest and greatest things in the hobby. Which would be Radions, Vortechs, AI, Controllers. I said Vortech because it has been brought up before that even American companies are trying to get through Ecotechs Patent.
I was just posting what was on my mind, I didn't know that I need fact to back up everything I post. I wasn't trying to give advice or anything, just starting a conversation.
I respect everyone's opinion, ya or nay doesn't matter to me it's nice to see what others think about it though.
I was just posting what was on my mind, I didn't know that I need fact to back up everything I post. I wasn't trying to give advice or anything, just starting a conversation.
I respect everyone's opinion, ya or nay doesn't matter to me it's nice to see what others think about it though.
To that I Woukd simply say this
Getting "through patents" is wrong. It's stealing and should not be supported. If they did force ecotech to lower their prices that a travesty. Ecotech would be forced to compete with themselves and make less money doing so.
Now if the companies in question have an improved or different design then that's very different
Getting "through patents" is wrong. It's stealing and should not be supported. If they did force ecotech to lower their prices that a travesty. Ecotech would be forced to compete with themselves and make less money doing so.
Now if the companies in question have an improved or different design then that's very different
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No worries here I respect your view whether I agree or not. I just can't help myself when some speak condescendingly to others for wanting to buy cheaper products from a illegal foreign workforce when they did the very same thing when they purchased their home here built by a illegal foreign workforce.Amazing!
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I completely understand sadly!
