Crocea clam help!

[twocute2b4u]

I have two fire fish, goby, 2 clown fish, 2 cleaner shrimp, hippo tang, flame angel, sally lightfoot, 2 emerald crabs and I think that does it.

 

[tim8111]

twocute2b4u;270430 wrote: Tim, thank you for responding. Question for you though. If I should not have dipped the clam what can I do now? I do have the stock t5's that come with the RSM so I am hoping that the amount of light this little guy is getting is adaquate. Any input?

Denise

Sorry for the delay in response.

Now, nothing except hope it recovers. Coral Dips are safe for SPS, LPS, and softies, well at least Seachem Reef Dip is.

Thats right the red sea comes with HO T5s, It should be getting enough light high in the tank.

I just looked at the picture and in my experience, I think it has a very slim chance of recovering. When they get that withdrawn, death usually comes within a day. I hope not.

Thanks,
Tim

 

[jmaneyapanda]

It doesnt look that bad to me. Just leave it be for a while in a sheltered (from flow), high light area. Croceas need the most light of any clam, and can actually typically tolerate a reasonable flow. As explained, it defintiely should nto ahve eben dipped in Iodine, but that is the past. Make sure the flame angel isnt nipping, and give it lots of light, and it very well could make a recovery.

 

[tim8111]

Barbara;270473 wrote: The LFS where she bought the clam from told her to spot feed it baby brine shrimp. I have never heard of this. She's been "spot feeding" it baby brine and Phyto (I think).

Baby Brine doesn't make sense to me, Phyto does. I wouldn't think it would cause it to die.

Barbara;270473 wrote: Could this be a virus? Did the dip cause it? I read and read and can't find anything on the net about dipping a clam except that they can take a FW dip, so I thought a coral dip probably wouldn't hurt, but I may be wrong.

I would probably say the dip helped get it to this point.

Thanks,
Tim

 

[fish scales2]

Here is a link. Coral dip will kill any clam. IMO goto the LFS give them your clam and get your money back. Let the owner of the store know what took place and they should take care of you.

 

[twocute2b4u]

This really sucks. Tim and others, can I fresh dip it now or is it history? Flame is not nipping at it thankfully, I have been sitting in the front room most of the morning and afternoon keeping an eye on him. Losing him has nothing to do with money to me, it has to do with my poor decision and the death of something that is absolutely beautiful.

I really appreciate everyone's help.

 

[twocute2b4u]

Fish Scales2;270484 wrote: Here is a link. Coral dip will kill any clam. IMO goto the LFS give them your clam and get your money back. Let the owner of the store know what took place and they should take care of you.


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the LFS didn't tell me to dip, I dipped. I read the bottle on the reef dip and it fails to mention anything about clams, however reading I should have known better. :stupid:

 

[jmaneyapanda]

Baby brine is pointless. In fact, spot feeding is pointless. IN FACT, feeding is pointless!!

There is nothing you can do but give it clean water and light. Dont stress it any more. when is the last time you saw the mantle expanded?

 

[tim8111]

twocute2b4u;270489 wrote: Tim and others, can I fresh dip it now or is it history?

I would not disturb it anymore, all it will do is stress it out.

jmaneyapanda;270502 wrote: Baby brine is pointless. In fact, spot feeding is pointless. IN FACT, feeding is pointless!!

There is nothing you can do but give it clean water and light. Dont stress it any more. when is the last time you saw the mantle expanded?

I agree on larger clams, I disagree on smaller. Think of it as a solar panel, the bigger the more energy they convert, when a clam is less than 4" they need supplemental feedings. I usually recommend Phyto. Also, if is smal and you do keep a "clean" tank, then they will not have anything to filter out of the water, making feedings of Phyto more important.

Just my opinon

 

[jmaneyapanda]

Nope. That's an old wives tail. All clams filter feed. But 99.9999% of the time, there is enough food floating around the tank on it's own. The most recent clam studies show that clams of all sizes can easily generate enough energy from light alone to support themselves and grow. I can get the references if you guys want.

 

[jefft]

My two clams do not like any flow on them. I have them in sheltered areas with plenty of light and they are happy campers!:yes:

 

[ralph atl]

jmaneyapanda;270555 wrote: Nope. That's an old wives tail. All clams filter feed. But 99.9999% of the time, there is enough food floating around the tank on it's own. The most recent clam studies show that clams of all sizes can easily generate enough energy from light alone to support themselves and grow. I can get the references if you guys want.

I don't need any references as everything you've stated is true! :shades:

 

[ralph atl]

don't do anything at all with the clam. water change would be good. that's eat. don't feed it! don't touch it!

cleaner shrimp & angels sometimes pester clams when u r not looking!

 

[twocute2b4u]

Sorry for such a delayed response. I had something come up. This is the status and some responses to questions - I have not seen the mantle since tuesday or wednesday. The clam will still close up a bit more when a fish goes near him - is that any indication of good or bad?

I will not move this little guy until something for the better or worse happens.

As far as how long he was in the reef dip, it was no longer than 10 minutes, probably the worst 10 minutes of the little guys life :-(

Barbara - I appreciate the good words - Perhaps I just need to go visit Tim and get a kick butt clam once I get the 90 gallon - if the feedback is good.

Thank you everyone for your help!!

Denise

 

[jefft]

If you really get concerned in the next couple of days pull it out and smell it, you will know!:yuk:

 

[twocute2b4u]

I just checked for pyramid snails and did not see any type of movement what so ever. I have to say that I may have a bit of good news, it appears that he has opened a bit more. The opening that I had in the picture I sent earlier has doubled. He also closed partially suddenly and then reopened. Is he trying to get better? And this seems like a logical answer, however I will ask the question - wont the clam change colors and wont he stop moving if he were dead or dying? His color is still really nice.

 

[ralph atl]

they will either retract all their "insides" and die, or just gape open & die. Just keep doing weekly water changes and see what tomorrow brings? hopefully, he'll pull through. sometimes they will bleach out first. he might just need some clean water & time to adjust.

 

[jmaneyapanda]

If they are still reacting to light and shadows, that is VERY good. Just keep what you are doing. Dont do anythig more to stress the clam out. Just give it a week or more to heal.

 

[twocute2b4u]

The lights in the tank have not turned on yet, however the clam is just a wee bit open. Unfortunately he has closed even more. I am hoping that when the lights come back on that he opens a bit more.

 

[jmaneyapanda]

twocute2b4u;270833 wrote: The lights in the tank have not turned on yet, however the clam is just a wee bit open. Unfortunately he has closed even more. I am hoping that when the lights come back on that he opens a bit more.

Extending mantle is more the necessity, rather than having the valves (shells) opened or closed.