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Hey peeps,

So, my tank has been up about 5-6 months now, and currently i have a bunch of different reefs lps and softies, no sps, but the fish bug has caught me. Currently I have a yellow tail damsel, royal gramma, and a 6 line wrasse. I have a 30 gallon.... Can I add any more fish or am I maxed out? Im willing to replace the damsel with something that is a lot cooler, just looking for opinions on what to add and if it will be ok?

i have always wanted a mandarin goby, but i don't think my pod population is up to snuff yet or might not ever be as I don't have a lighted refugium with plants or anything.
 
Get rid of the damsel!! and watch that 6 line wrasse . Mine was mean as h233!! add some green Chromas maybe firefish . talk to your Local sponsor under sponsors thread and tell them your setup . they will lead you in the right direction
 
Your gonna love a Mandarin Gobie. The variety of color and just the way they move around the tank is something special. I didn't see you list any clown fish above. A reef tank without any "clowns" is not a reef tank at all. Get you a clown in there. Everyone loves a circus. A clown fish will bring you to smile many times over. Do your research, some types of clowns can be peculiar. ---- just my half cent


Wannabee
 
WannabeeaReefKeeper;965646 wrote: Your gonna love a Mandarin Gobie. The variety of color and just the way they move around the tank is something special. I didn't see you list any clown fish above. A reef tank without any "clowns" is not a reef tank at all. Get you a clown in there. Everyone loves a circus. A clown fish will bring you to smile many times over. Do your research, some types of clowns can be peculiar. ---- just my half cent


Wannabee

NO mandarin , they must have a large supply of pods if not they will perish from starvation. they are hard to keep:roll:
 
mrmrburke;965617 wrote: Hey peeps,

So, my tank has been up about 5-6 months now, and currently i have a bunch of different reefs lps and softies, no sps, but the fish bug has caught me. Currently I have a yellow tail damsel, royal gramma, and a 6 line wrasse. I have a 30 gallon.... Can I add any more fish or am I maxed out? Im willing to replace the damsel with something that is a lot cooler, just looking for opinions on what to add and if it will be ok?

i have always wanted a mandarin goby, but i don't think my pod population is up to snuff yet or might not ever be as I don't have a lighted refugium with plants or anything.

Unfortunately a mandarin won't survive in a 30g. Despite people telling me I couldn't do it, I thought I'd do everything- buy pods, get a refuge, etc.- and it still lost a lot of weight in a short amount of time.

This hobby is awesome, but starving beautiful fish is just cruel. Go with some other neat gobies. They all have great personalities and most are a lot easier to keep!

You could also look at a flame hawk fish, cherub angel (they tend to eat softies though), or some standard clowns.

Since your sixline is already established, be careful adding fish during the day while the six line may be territorial. Try acclimating them at night when the six line is buried.
 
atlweb;965727 wrote: Unfortunately a mandarin won't survive in a 30g. Despite people telling me I couldn't do it, I thought I'd do everything- buy pods, get a refuge, etc.- and it still lost a lot of weight in a short amount of time.

This hobby is awesome, but starving beautiful fish is just cruel. Go with some other neat gobies. They all have great personalities and most are a lot easier to keep!

You could also look at a flame hawk fish, cherub angel (they tend to eat softies though), or some standard clowns.

Since your sixline is already established, be careful adding fish during the day while the six line may be territorial. Try acclimating them at night when the six line is buried.

+1 :thumbs: also on the 6 line , mine killed the heck outta my chromis
 
WannabeeaReefKeeper;965646 wrote: Your gonna love a Mandarin Gobie.
Wannabee

Respectfully disagree here.

First off, a Mandarin is a Dragonet, not a "Gobie" (Goby).

That misnomer is used widely in the trade. Gobies are generally easy to keep. Dragonets, not so much. (Same applies to the Scooter "Blenny" - it's also a Dragonet and not a Blenny at all).

Dragonets need an abundant supply of live copepods or they will starve to death. The occasional exception will eat prepared foods, most will not.

In a small tank, they exhaust the population of pods faster than they can reproduce.

Of course, if you want to spend $20 a week on live pods to supplement, to keep the $20 fish alive - that's an option nowadays... that's the only way, in my opinion, to have any success with a Dragonet in a small (ie under 75-gallon) tank.

The Damsel you have will likely pick on other fishes so I'd rehome that.

Six Lined Wrasses are hit and miss. I've seen some be total jerks, I've seen others be model citizens - not sure if it's a male/female thing (no obvious visual differences between males and females) or what... keep an eye it could go either way.

Clownfish (as was suggested) can be hit and miss too - they always get territorial (Damsels and Clowns are closely related)... and they can get to a point where they don't tolerate other fishes in their space.

There are dozens (if not more) choices for a smaller tank - research what appeals to you and make sure that the space and dispositions all agree with one another.

Jenn
 
reefstinger;965757 wrote: +1 :thumbs: also on the 6 line , mine killed the heck outta my chromis


Ok so I need to get a 6 line then.....



(Jk, kinda... Sorry)
 
tonymission;965792 wrote: Ok so I need to get a 6 line then.....



(Jk, kinda... Sorry)


listen to Jenn above , Jenn Knows FISH, she has taken in so many fish and rescued them from death. If anyone knows best . Its Jenn , that's where I get my info from for fish question. Experienced people in this hobby is where I put my faith in, its saved me alot of heartache and $$$$:thumbs:
 
Well there are plenty that know a lot more than me, but I've been around the hobby and trade a while.

Unfortunately during my time in retail, I took in more than my fair share of emaciated Dragonets. (I didn't sell them in the first place.)

There's plenty of suitable choices for smaller tanks - just takes a bit of research to make informed choices. That actually goes for stocking ANY tank, large or small.

Jenn
 
reefstinger;965801 wrote: listen to Jenn above , Jenn Knows FISH, she has taken in so many fish and rescued them from death. If anyone knows best . Its Jenn , that's where I get my info from for fish question. Experienced people in this hobby is where I put my faith in, its saved me alot of heartache and $$$$:thumbs:


I was joking about my chromis getting killed. Everyone says you're left with one or two but these five just keep trucking.
I'm not really a wrasse guy at all tbh...
 
If mandrin is what you have your heart set on their are a lot of great articles on how to start and keep pods to feed them. Once you have a good culture of pods then get your dragonet. If you have a good lid on your tank maybe dwarf golen moray eel ?
 
Thanks for all the info guys ... I have always know the limitations I have when it comes to these mandarins...I always read about some rare ones being able to eat frozen or prepared food, but was aware that my pods might not be ever up to snuff.

Jenn always comes in and provides such amazing info.

Stray dog, I have a rimless so I have to be careful of jumping fish

Maybe one day I'll be able to get a bigger tank that will be able to sustain a good pod population for a mandarin as they are one of my favorite dish I have seen

My six line is actually very calm and not very mean to the other fish but he is also my newest fish so I'm not sure how he will be when I add something newer.

Thanks for all the tips from everyone especially about the mandarins as I am not into the business of starving an innocent creature to death just to look pretty in my tank for a short period


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rehome the damsel and look into adding a small blenny, they have great personalities and dont require large tanks. there are also many other small gobies that would work...
 
Well I hope my target Mandarin doesn't read this thread....he is doing good and happy in a 36 bowfront...lol
 
I agree that mandarin gobies are <u>hard to keep</u> because of the necessity of needing pods for the mandarin. However, it's not impossible to keep one. Just start a pod tank so that you can keep the mandarin feed. A mandarin is by far; one of my favorite fish in a reef tank. Next time you are at a reef store, check out a mandarin in one of their tanks. You'll be amazed :wow2: at the character that a mandarin displays especially with their movement inside the reef tank. It is fun to watch.


Wannabee
 
I've had my mandarin for about 4yrs now. started off in a 24 gallon, and is now in a 30 gallon. Not trying to say I would recommend it, but if it something you want, it is definitely possible. For what its worth, targets seem to be easier to ween on to frozen from what i have read.
 
Declanisadog can you elaborate on what you did to train your mandarin to eat frozen? Or what you do to sustain a good pod population? They are prob my fav fish but I don't want to kill it lol


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I had a healthy pod population to begin with, then i added a bottle of pods every other week. I really didn't do anything special otherwise. I would just squirt frozen stuff in his general direction whenever i was feeding the tank (a mix of Rods, Mysis, and reef chili), and eventually i started getting a response. It eats everything now, including pellets. I had a ruby red dragonette that i got eating frozen the same way, but sadly he jumped a couple months back :sad:
 
Mandarins can be done in smaller than the accepted 50+ gallon tank. I've had one in my 9 gallon since November/early December and it's definitely not starving. But a LOT of details had to line up to make it doable:

1. Choose a smaller specimen, preferably female (they tend to stay smaller & seem to take to prepared food more readily than males). As mentioned, spotted mandarins and the "scooters" seem to be the "easiest" of the lot.

2. Build your tank's rockscape to cater to their swimming preferences... i.e. lots of ledges, overhangs/outcroppings - dragonets hunt & peck constantly at rock surfaces throughout the day and even when target fed will graze an area of rock rather than pluck food out of the water column.

3. NO competitive tankmates - that sixline is a much more voracious predator of your tank's copepods and may even attack the dragonet if it perceives competition for the same food.

4. LUCK - as JennM and other point out, few dragonets will accept prepared foods from the get-go and you'll likely have to train it. This time may be days, weeks or head into month(s) - your fish's initial condition and temperament + your own time and ability + foods available may not end successfully with a happy healthy fish... and it is disheartening to see all your efforts fail "just because". Be picky is about the only advice that'll get you through this.

5. TIME - it took me almost six weeks to get my mandarin to reliably eat prepared foods... if your specimen is not particularly well nourished on arrival it may pass the point of no return before you can get it eating. I went the progression of dosed pods &gt; newly hatched brine shrimp &gt; nutramar (now somewhat scarce) &gt; "other foods" (currently a mix of NLS pellets, Larry's Reef Frenzy and a bare scraping of nutramar or Rod's Fish Eggs). It worked but took a serious toll on my tank's water quality until the fish got the hang of eating where the baster pointed & I got the hang of completely cutting the pumps, target feeding it and changing out the filter pads twice as often than previously required. So who trained who, I wonder?

5. MONEY - I still supplement monthly with the bottled copepods from the Coral Conservatory sold at several local sponsors. Even with prepared foods as the mainstay of my mandarin's diet, I regard that pods are still essential for nutrition and healthy foraging. Plus if I have to go out of town on a trip/vacation its far kinder to the fish and tank-sitter to not leave instructions for target feeding something this finicky and simply huck in an extra bottle. Since my tank build was intended to house this particular fish first & foremost I personally don't mind the $12-15 every 3-4 weeks. As said above - it's the $20 fish that costs about $200 a year to keep.

Do I love seeing my little girl cruising the tank every evening when I get home? Yep! Do my kids love to watch "The Stripey Fish!!!" before bed? Also Yep! Would I do it all over again if I truly, truly understood ALL of the work that would be required for this particular fish up front, especially in a non-conventional tank footprint? Yep! (albeit a bit less enthusiastically than the other parts). But it's not for everyone. One of the key things in this hobby is to carefully choose where you want your challenges to come from, and be OK with it. For some it's collecting boutique zoas that cost $10's to $100's a polyp, are randomly named & unpredictably melt; others it's maintaining a spectacular garden of stony corals each one of which costs more than my entire tank and demand the most pristine water conditions & rigorous dosing schedules. For me it's providing this d@mn stubborn, delicate, beautiful & awesome fish an improbable home on my coffee table. ;)
 
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