Radion growth/color results?

grouper therapy;901290 wrote: No need I already have all the dry I rock I need that came from other LED users.:D
In all seriousness though it does "seem" and I hate that word, that most of the super nice MATURE Tanks I see on all the forums for the most part are all lit with MH, T5s or supplemented LEDS

Edit: I'd really like for LEDS to be with out a doubt the way to go but I have not seen that yet

They are not the way to go for SPS corals, but they are the way to go for LPS and softies, IMO.
 
Oh. Okay. I am unbiased and appreciate technology. If I see first hand something and knowing all the variables and it actually works. Then, I form my decision. A difficult one it was but easier every month with seeing colorful coral and a MUCH lower power bill. Maybe the growth isn't a record breaker however, the tank is mine, alive and does anything else matter?

Maybe one day I'll have a super nice MATURE tank one day.

Edit: I still have a complete mh/t5. Maybe one day if the sun goes out I can light up my neighborhood.

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Acroholic;901293 wrote: They are not the way to go for SPS corals, but they are the way to go for LPS and softies, IMO.

Without sounding like a jerk. I honestly wonder what many other successful sps/led folks are doing different having great success? Maybe they are not telling the complete story of their journey. Maybe pride gets in the way from them explaining what went wrong.

This alone is a reason I limit my practices to what I have witness first hand.
 
FF337;901294 wrote: Oh. Okay. I am unbiased and appreciate technology. If I see first hand something and knowing all the variables and it actually works. Then, I form my decision. A difficult one it was but easier every month with seeing colorful coral and a MUCH lower power bill. Maybe the growth isn't a record breaker however, the tank is mine, alive and does anything else matter?
Maybe one day I'll have a super nice MATURE tank one day.

Edit: I still have a complete mh/t5. Maybe one day if the sun goes out I can light up my neighborhood.

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Without sounding like a jerk. I honestly wonder what many other successful sps/led folks are doing different having great success? Maybe they are not telling the complete story of their journey. Maybe pride gets in the way from them explaining what went wrong.

This alone is a reason I limit my practices to what I have witness first hand.


Maybe that is where we differ my idea of great success is not the same as yours.
As far as anything else "mattering " I'm not sure what you are asking.
I will say that the opinions of veteran users(year+) of LEDs with successful mature tanks does matter to me .
 
We all have friends and opinions which are important to me. Mature discussions on a public forum are important to me as well. I asked a question then you attempt to belittle me here about my question. Wow. Somethings never change. If you weren't interested in hearing my post why not just carry on. :confused:
 
Dave, is that the 90 cube you have that you are finally getting setup?? I think im going with API ho T5 controllable fixture over my 60 cube, Do I need a 4x24w or 6x24w fixture? 4 or 6 bulb. I want to be able to put sps/lps in this tank? maybe a couple anemones. its been running for 2 weeks now, nothing but sand and LR .
 
FF337;901297 wrote: We all have friends and opinions which are important to me. Mature discussions on a public forum are important to me as well. I asked a question then you attempt to belittle me here about my question. Wow. Somethings never change. If you weren't interested in hearing my post why not just carry on. :confused:
Too bad you fee that way. Personally I think you need to lighten up a bit. We can have mature discussions with a little humor or even a little sarcasm thrown on the mix. It is a question over a type of light fixture that lights up a box of water for goodness sake. You asked a question and I answered .

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reeferman;901304 wrote: i like to think i have been successful with my leds for over 2 years over my mature sps reef
I thought you were running a couple of t5s as well? Post some pics please.

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reefstinger;901302 wrote: Dave, is that the 90 cube you have that you are finally getting setup?? I think im going with API ho T5 controllable fixture over my 60 cube, Do I need a 4x24w or 6x24w fixture? 4 or 6 bulb. I want to be able to put sps/lps in this tank? maybe a couple anemones. its been running for 2 weeks now, nothing but sand and LR .
Not yet . There was an accident involving the tank and my elderly Mom she is fine but the tank will have to be cut down.
 
I've seen some Led lit mature SPS tanks that experienced very nice growth and the color was fine but the color was not as nice as very similar tanks lit with MH or t5s. The depth or saturation of the color , I guess would be the way to describe it, was not as pronounced as the other light sources.IMO

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grouper therapy;901287 wrote: As long as it is others money for me lol . Or not proven.
I've seen too many veteran reefers who actually know the difference switch back or in the least supplement after running LEDs. You will find most who are satisfied with them have never used other light sources and if theu have usually not for more than a few months before going LED
BTW the way FF337 this was not directed at you at all. I have no idea of your experience it was a general observation is all.
 
my 2 t5 bulbs were getting old so i havent run them in two months with ZERO changes so im certain 2-36" pure actinic over a 48" tank werent doing much of anything.
i believe ive posted pics in this thread,ill go back and check.
i am also curious to know how many have switched back to t5/mh,blaming leds for bad color/growth while the whole time it was water quality issues to begin with.
no amount of a proven light source is gonna cut it with less than perfect chemistry.
 
reeferman;901339 wrote: my 2 t5 bulbs were getting old so i havent run them in two months with ZERO changes so im certain 2-36" pure actinic over a 48" tank werent doing much of anything.
i believe ive posted pics in this thread,ill go back and check.
i am also curious to know how many have switched back to t5/mh,blaming leds for bad color/growth while the whole time it was water quality issues to begin with.
no amount of a proven light source is gonna cut it with less than perfect chemistry.
That is a very good point!! One that I've asked when some have made other changes. Some have started with MH and switched to t5s and said they noticed a growth spurt, when in all actuality it was the corals finally reaching the stage where accelerated growth begins anyway. That is why I really was more curious about older tanks that have had Radions for a considerable length of time in order to rule out any minor changes like water chemistry,temp, removal of supplemental lighting etc. Acroholic's tank for example.
 
i just read a great quote from Steve Jobs...

<span style="font-family: Arial Black"><span style="font-size: 14px"><span style="color: #000080">&#8220;Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma - which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of other's opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary.&#8221;
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reeferman;901347 wrote: i just read a great quote from Steve Jobs...

<span style="font-family: Arial Black"><span style="font-size: 14px"><span style="color: #000080">&#8220;Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma - which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of other's opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary.&#8221;
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Now go build something!!!!!!:D Wise words indeed. That is why " show me your tank" is my favorite reponse to an expressed opinion, then I will form my own opinion.
 
i guess it was a different led thread that i posted pics.these are from an iphone with no rendering,anyways....
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Your growth looks great. Most of the colors look fantastic but some look faded a little to me. That is the observation I have made in a lot of the LED tanks. Now this may be due to the photography so please don't feel hurt. I think anyone would consider this a beautiful successful tank!!! I would like to see it in person.
 
I know I've posted this a couple times, and why I would not call my observations definitive, they are based on actual usage for a pretty long length of time, with these being the major changes and other parameters/equipment being kept pretty consistent.

I used AI Sol Blues over SPS for about a year, followed by Radions for about a year, then went back to Radium 400 watt Halides. No question you get decent/good growth with LEDs, and Radions (especially Pros) are great over LPS/SPS. I have two Pros over my 100 gallon mixed cube, and would not change them for the world.

LEDs and SPS: I found that Seratioporas, Stylophoras and Pocilloporas did great colorwise under LEDs, as good as halides, IMO. But it was the other Acropora species that suffered colorwise somewhat under LEDs. It was not that they didn't have color, it was the intensity, as Grouper Therapy said. Some were brown under LEDs and didn't color up until I went back to halides. Some were a light blue and got a deep blue, some were pinkish and got a deep red after.

Lots of my SPS were kind of pastel like in their colors under LEDs, just somewhat faded looking. Not unattractive, but just kind of like "meh". The Radiums have made the colors of many much more intense, and some that were a dull green have turned sky blue, etc.

I think what motivated me to go back to Radiums were that I used Radiums first when I got into Reefing. I started with SPS and Radium 250 and 400 watt halides, and then a bit later started playing around with LEDs, and throughout my 2 year experience with the AIs and Radions, I had the color of my first reef as a reference, and the LEDs just never reproduced that with the majority of my SPS corals. I haven't changed much in my husbandry practices aver the years except my lighting. Tried a few different things short term, like algae scrubbers, fuges, sulfur denitrators, etc, but my way of maintaining chemistry, water change schedule, and the salt I use, for example, have been the same for about 6 years.

That is just my experience. Not right or wrong, but there is a 35 page thread on Reef Central basically saying the same type thing, so I do know my experience is not unique, and shared by many others.

One last thing, I have not read anywhere someone that used halides over an SPS reef for any decent length of time, and then started using LEDs, stating "my acroporas look better with LEDs compared to halides."

I think it is a tradeoff, depending on what advantages each lighting offers. If I wanted less electrical consumption, lower tank temps, and no chiller, then maybe LEDs would be more attractive, even if it meant not as intense color in a lot of my SPS.

But right now my priority is color and color intensity, and Halides give me more of that right now than LEDs do.

One thing I will also add is that anyone using LEDs needs to give them at least 6 months or so of use before they start making observations about them, IMO. I am still seeing color changes in my SPS after going back to Halides.

I have a frag of Reggie's (Reeferman) Sunset Milli he has pics of posted above I got from him at last year's Carolina Frag Swap, and heck, it has stayed green for the last year, part time under Radions, and the last 9 months or so under Radiums, and has only in the last couple weeks started showing the orange highlights you can see in it in the pics he just posted.
 
Intensity is a much better description. thanks David. Your right it doesn't seem that it is only some corals that lack it , not all for sure.
 
reeferman;901396 wrote: i can certainly respect the opinions of you two guys.
its definitely not a right or wrong issue and yes Dave,my camera skills are seriously lacking!lol

I'm right there with you on that my brother, I guess you and I will just build it and let others photograph it :thumbs:.
 
Sorry I know you asked for Radion results but were not sure if you wanted "LED" results for other brands. Skip over it and I apologize if this is not what you wanted. I have an AI SOL Blue that is about 10-12 months old. The color has been "good" but my sps lost most of its color (they all turned blue) and my nice rainbow acans turned red or orange. I just received the ATI LED / T5 combo (I sold a kidney) and can not wait to get it going. Also growth under the AI SOL was marginal except for chalices. They seemed to like it...
 
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