Whats the best way to reduce phosphates?

[grouper therapy]

dme330i;692936 wrote: This approach (i.e., carbon dosing) has worked for me with one exception. I quit GFO as it was counter-productive to my carbon-dosing routine (similarly, I quit UV as it was counter-productive). In addition to live rock, I've used matrix, KZ, or Fauna Marin porous media to provide add'l surface area for the carbon-fed bacteria.

These bacteria do a great job of sequestering P as well as N (outcompeting macro algae). Skimmer is critical, in a carbon-dosed system, in removing excess bacteria (and as a result more P and N) in the water column.

Assuming you effectively remove P and N, reaching an ultra low nutrient state, it becomes even more important to "feed" your corals.

This approach has worked well for me.

Pics?

 

[ralph atl]

on a serious note.............

if your phosphates are high and you are changing out your gfo monthly or whatever..

the quickest & most effective way is this:


Period!

Change GFO more often...

if you are changing it more often, but twice monthly....it's time for weekly! if you have phates at 0.3....then daily media changes might be nessessary...this, will save your sps...this method is prov-en, and I have personal experience in it.

yes, it's costly, but so is life?

 

[ralph atl]

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2122858">http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2122858</a>

good thread here..Randy.....seems to be shadowing my statements....lol..

 

[grouper therapy]

mysterybox;731591 wrote: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2122858">http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2122858</a>

good thread here..Randy.....seems to be shadowing my statements....lol..[/QUOTE]
Question Ralph
If there were not any medias available to remove phosphates
(gfo.phosguard.etc) how would you rid your system of phosphates?

 

[ralph atl]

plunger!

 

[lilrobb]

mysterybox;731621 wrote: plunger!

As long as you ignore the law of physics - I concur!

 

[grouper therapy]

LilRobb;731626 wrote: As long as you ignore the law of physics - I concur!

With Ralph maybe not.

 

[grouper therapy]

I'm disappointed you did not copy paste his response ,Ralph!

 

[ralph atl]

I think I said the most quickest and efficient!!!

 

[grouper therapy]

Advancements and learning takes place when discussions are held with either opposing or differing views. Now as far as your blanket statement on the other forum that water changes do very little to remove phosphates is simply nonsense and inaccurate. That said they may not be the most efficient means but they are effective. I have seen no data to support the theory that GFO is the most efficient, only opinions that I highly respect but do not take as an undisputed fact. If you can accept that it is then enjoy your intellectual contentment. I prefer to expand and learn.
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mysterybox;737275 wrote: I think I said the most quickest and efficient!!!

ok:unsure:


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<span style="font-family: Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 13px">You must export the same or more nutrients than you put in. Overfeeding, tap water, high phosphate foods, etc. </span></span>

<span style="font-family: Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 13px">Water changes will do little for phosphate reduction as phates bind and get absorbed in rock, sand, algae, etc. </span></span>

</em> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 13px"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman">If you choose GFO, you&#8217;ll need to start VERY SLOWLY! Use 25% of the recommended media, slowly increasing every week. You need to acclimate your tank inhabitants over at least a 2 month period especially is you have any stony corals. </em>Once acclimated you&#8217;ll need to change your Iron based media in the phosphate reactor more often. Your media will get saturated within 2 weeks or so depending upon how much is bound up in your rocks, tank, algae, etc. Use less media, change every 2 weeks. Use a great test kit like DD Merck, Hack, or colormeter or even Elos. If you already have a fuge & reactor, be aggressive & change the media every 2 weeks.</span></span></span>

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Ok:unsure:

 

[ralph atl]

hahaha

 

[grouper therapy]

mysterybox;737357 wrote: hahaha

exactly!

 

[patrick]

cr500_af;688939 wrote: My best results came from stopping commercial frozen foods (even rinsed) and making my own. I rinsed the thawed store-bought food then put it in RO again (so I was able to test it) and the phosphate readings were still around 50 after sitting in RO for a couple of minutes. My food was less than my kit will read in the same water I thawed in.

What commercial frozen food were you using. I use PE mysis and have never had any issues.

 

[dakota9]

mysterybox;737275 wrote: I think I said the most quickest and efficient!!!

Ralph, I just think you add so much to this club. I've never met you, but you seem like you'd be a real fun guy! I do hope to meet you someday, I think we'd get along well!

Sometimes I will read your posts, and just think quietly to my self how you and your tank must be half full of vodka at that very moment!

Love ya man!

 

[ralph atl]

Dakota9;737454 wrote: Ralph, I just think you add so much to this club. I've never met you, but you seem like you'd be a real fun guy! I do hope to meet you someday, I think we'd get along well!

Sometimes I will read your posts, and just think quietly to my self how you and your tank must be half full of vodka at that very moment!

Love ya man!

awe........


I love you, too!

 

[grouper therapy]

Dakota9;737454 wrote: Ralph, I just think you add so much to this club. I've never met you, but you seem like you'd be a real fun guy! I do hope to meet you someday, I think we'd get along well!

Sometimes I will read your posts, and just think quietly to my self how you and your tank must be half full of vodka at that very moment!

Love ya man!

mysterybox;737515 wrote: awe........


I love you, too!

alrighty then .I'll leave this thread with you two.