Chinese knockoffs

[rdnelson]

Skriz;773275 wrote:
BUT, if you are going to steal from my establishment, then YES, please stay out!

Now that is a quality statement. LOL

I do frequent your establishment. Not as often as I would like but on occasion.

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Skriz;773275 wrote: I stated that IF you cannot afford a product, then you do not have the right to steal it (or buy a stolen one at a lower cost). I just don't feel it's right to do so. Just as if you had an invention, you wouldn't want someone to steal it.

Therein lies the crux of the dilemma. At what point is it stolen? Again refering to my Chinese made LED fixtures, I don't believe they they took an American made LED fixture and ripped it apart to enable them to make an exact copy. I believe they saw that an American company was making a boat load of cash and said "We can do the same thing cheaper". I do not see where that is any different even then the iPhone you say you use. Did apple invent the touch screen? No, they came up with the idea to incorporate it into a cell phone. For that matter, did they invent the cell phone? No, to the best of my recollection that would be Motorola. I distinctly remember seeing a "Radio Phone" mounted on the floor boards of a pick-up truck of the guy who owned the Conoco Station somewhere around 1973 or 1974. I distinctly remember that it had Motorola stamped all over it.

 

[dawgface]

grouper therapy;773224 wrote: You are correct sir I said "most" implying not all. My apologies.
You likened the one to murder and the other to occasionally speeding .I took that as you do not view them the same, one being of significance and the other not. I said if that is the case then I do not agree. You continue to separate the two as something different. I understand it is how you view it and that is ok with me. I see that you consider my subject matter irrelevant to the discussion and was curious as to why .I was just trying to understand why and how you came to that conclusion. No foul. I see them as the same. Once again you do not have to explain , it is your prerogative.

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The if came later sorry:doh:

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Only if the one asked to accept it chooses to let it dictate it .

<span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: Verdana"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: Verdana">I only considered it irrelevant due to the context it was introduced as and then continually reintroduced as a mechanism for disparagement. I refused to acknowledge it because I did not and do not agree with the agenda behind it. </span></span>
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rdnelson99;773276 wrote: Now that is a quality statement. LOL

I do frequent your establishment. Not as often as I would like but on occasion.

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Therein lies the crux of the dilemma. At what point is it stolen? Again refering to my Chinese made LED fixtures, I don't believe they they took an American made LED fixture and ripped it apart to enable them to make an exact copy. I believe they saw that an American company was making a boat load of cash and said "We can do the same thing cheaper". I do not see where that is any different even then the iPhone you say you use. Did apple invent the touch screen? No, they came up with the idea to incorporate it into a cell phone. For that matter, did they invent the cell phone? No, to the best of my recollection that would be Motorola. I distinctly remember seeing a "Radio Phone" mounted on the floor boards of a pick-up truck of the guy who owned the Conoco Station somewhere around 1973 or 1974. I distinctly remember that it had Motorola stamped all over it.

Who says the Chinese LED fixture you are using is stolen?

Who or what company is claiming rights to the touch screen? I'm aware of none?

I can tell you motorolla did not invent the cell phone. Mobile technology was around believe or not when the Ford Model T was in production.

 

[falos]

The-Bubonic-One;773218 wrote: If I remember correctly Steve Jobs "stole" the idea from Xerox who had WIMP. Then used in in his Lisa.

Cell phones were invented by the British military as a way to communicate with troops latter during NASA developed satellite communication services witch latter were leased to public companies
First touch screen device was the IBM simon
And wouldn't all pc be infringing on patents held by unavac
Or modern electrical service providers stealing from westonhouse
And the first car was a bens 3 wheel
Just saying

 

[dawgface]

LOL seems as if alot of companies are stealing from alot of other companies that either do not care or we do not know what we are talking about.... I believe the latter is more or less closer to the truth.

 

[grouper therapy]

DawgFace;773283 wrote: <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: Verdana"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: Verdana">I only considered it irrelevant due to the context it was introduced as and then continually reintroduced as a mechanism for disparagement. I refused to acknowledge it because I did not and do not agree with the agenda behind it. </span></span> </span></span>

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Who says the Chinese LED fixture you are using is stolen?

Who or what company is claiming rights to the touch screen? I'm aware of none?

I can tell you motorolla did not invent the cell phone. Mobile technology was around believe or not when the Ford Model T was in production.

OK .:unsure: Have a good evening.

 

[dawgface]

DawgFace;773283 wrote: <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: Verdana"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: Verdana">I only considered it irrelevant due to the context it was introduced as and then continually reintroduced as a mechanism for disparagement. I refused to acknowledge it because I did not and do not agree with the agenda behind it. </span></span>
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Who says the Chinese LED fixture you are using is stolen?

Who or what company is claiming rights to the touch screen? I'm aware of none?

I can tell you motorolla did not invent the cell phone. Mobile technology was around believe or not when the Ford Model T was in production.

After further research it does appear as if Motorola introduced the first "commercially" available mobile device. However it was a redesign of prior technology available to them.

 

[skriz]

rdnelson99;773276 wrote: Now that is a quality statement. LOL

I do frequent your establishment. Not as often as I would like but on occasion.

Good. Now let's increase the frequency (and the spending )

rdnelson99;773276 wrote: Therein lies the crux of the dilemma. At what point is it stolen? Again refering to my Chinese made LED fixtures, I don't believe they they took an American made LED fixture and ripped it apart to enable them to make an exact copy. I believe they saw that an American company was making a boat load of cash and said "We can do the same thing cheaper". I do not see where that is any different even then the iPhone you say you use. Did apple invent the touch screen? No, they came up with the idea to incorporate it into a cell phone. For that matter, did they invent the cell phone? No, to the best of my recollection that would be Motorola. I distinctly remember seeing a "Radio Phone" mounted on the floor boards of a pick-up truck of the guy who owned the Conoco Station somewhere around 1973 or 1974. I distinctly remember that it had Motorola stamped all over it.

It's stolen when they violate copyright laws and intellectual property rights.

Your Chinese light doesn't qualify as it wasn't a stolen design.

Here's how it's different with the iPhone: the iPhone is an improvement on a prior design. Apple didn't just replicate somebody else's design; the made significant changes and improved it (and I use "improve" very loosely as I hate the iPhone and think it's the worst phone I've ever owned).

Stealing technology does nothing to improve the market or competition; it only stifles it. Improving on an idea and making advances in technology improves the market.

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Cjsparky;773110 wrote: happenstance does not equal hypocracy...I too am glad Dawgface typed it...I am not nearly as elloquent. And I am a crappy speller too!

Exactly! :up:

 

[rdnelson]

DawgFace;773283 wrote:

Who says the Chinese LED fixture you are using is stolen?

While I am too lazy to go back and find the exact post to quote (hehehe) Skriz inferred that because I purchased a "Knock Off" I was a thief.

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DawgFace;773288 wrote: or we do not know what we are talking about

LOL No truer statement has been made in this thread.

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Skriz;773295 wrote: Good. Now let's increase the frequency (and the spending )

Well then wish me luck in my interview on Monday since I lost my job yesterday. Maybe we can both make that happen. LOL

 

[skriz]

db366;773162 wrote: Why is it everything has to turn into a heated debate?

Because online forums are all about debates/discussions.

db366;773162 wrote: When I posted that I wasn't talking about buying a illegal product. SunSun (chinese company) makes powerheads that I would call knockoff Korallias, they aren't illegal but they look exactly like Korallias. If they find a way to sell them in the US I plan to buy one. I am not saying I am going to search out a bootleg Vortech..

Breathe guys.. it's okay if not everyone believes the exact same thing as you.

The article you referenced discussed possible stolen tech; you stated that "I can't wait for the knockoff vortech. I'd buy it..."

A knockoff vortech in the terms of the article would be an illegal product as it violates intellectual property rights and international copyright law.

 

[rdnelson]

Skriz;773295 wrote:

It's stolen when they violate copyright laws and intellectual property rights.

Your Chinese light doesn't qualify as it wasn't a stolen design.

Now that we can agree on. In my mind, the OP (although his statement may not of reflected it) was not wishing someone would steal the design, copy it and reproduce it exactly. I believe what he meant to say was that he was looking forward to the day when a more economical product with similar features was available for purchase. Maybe I have a Polly Anna outlook on things but I assume he would be opposed to out right theft.

 

[dawgface]

rdnelson99;773296 wrote:
Well then wish me luck in my interview on Monday since I lost my job yesterday. Maybe we can both make that happen. LOL

That sucks brother!

I have plenty more work for you if that interview doesn't work out. I don't exactly need it done now but eventually it will be on the agenda. So might as well get you while your available.

Plus, if your interested I can possibly get you hooked up with some of my local offices in Atlanta when they need work done.

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rdnelson99;773298 wrote: Now that we can agree on. In my mind, the OP (although his statement may not of reflected it) was not wishing someone would steal the design, copy it and reproduce it exactly. I believe what he meant to say was that he was looking forward to the day when a more economical product with similar features was available for purchase. Maybe I have a Polly Anna outlook on things but I assume he would be opposed to out right theft.

I would agree with that wholly.

 

[rdnelson]

DawgFace;773299 wrote: That sucks brother!

I have plenty more work for you if that interview doesn't work out. I don't exactly need it done now but eventually it will be on the agenda. So might as well get you while your available.

Plus, if your interested I can possibly get you hooked up with some of my local offices in Atlanta when they need work done.

Thanks Jessie. I appreciate it and may take you up on it. I have a few leads in the works that I hope will pan out. Funny thing is, one has to do with a project that should have been mine. Building a factory for a Foreign Company. At the last minute they told the General Contractor that they HAD to use the company that has ties to the old country. Later, the building caught fire and burnt to the ground. Now they hired the same GC to rebuild it back in a panic. Again they forced them to use the company with ties to the old country. But, today they asked me if I would be a consultant and act as a Third Party Inspector to ensure my completion adheres to the contract documents. One more example of my hypocrisy. If it feeds my family while I find a more permanent job you darn tooten I will take there money.

Edit: That should have said "My Competition" not completion.

 

[cjsparky]

rdnelson99;773298 wrote: Now that we can agree on. In my mind, the OP (although his statement may not of reflected it) was not wishing someone would steal the design, copy it and reproduce it exactly. I believe what he meant to say was that he was looking forward to the day when a more economical product with similar features was available for purchase. Maybe I have a Polly Anna outlook on things but I assume he would be opposed to out right theft.

I agree completely.

Sorry to hear about the Job...I had to close my company in 2009 (I was the only employee...lol) and went back to school and bartended. I graduated in Feb this year. Finally see the light at the end of the tunnel! Now it's time to focus on my GF's career...she is looking for a position in consumer marketing/integrated marketing...I hope the Monday interview turns out to be an incredible opportunity for you!

CJ

 

[rdnelson]

Thanks Cj. Hope your new endeavors turn out well for you also. 4 years ago, all of us in upper management took a massive cut in pay to help ensure the company could survive the downturn in the economy. In addition, we chopped overhead expenses down to near nothing. It just boiled down to not being able to outlast the bad times. My boss will try to continue on but is just no longer in a position where he can afford to pay the salary I require.

 

[bruce 1]

One question, How can it be stolen if that Country does not have any laws on copyrights? (they do but they just slap you on the back of the hand) So basically there is none.

Skriz;773295 wrote:


It's stolen when they violate copyright laws and intellectual property rights.

 

[db366]

To be honest, I could care less either way. This has pretty much turned into the most retarded thread of the month.. I might has well posted asking to buy a Rhizo... Whatever though, everyone can argue out how wrong it is like it's going to change the minds of those that would say otherwise.

How did it go from a powerhead to apple to fruit to cell phones. It wasn't even about the morals of them stealing a design it was about just maybe some competition getting in and forcing the cost of Vortechs down. Ecotech has been so adamant about enforcing the MAP and not allowing group buys or anything of that nature it has gotten annoying. Since they are sponsors of most larger forums everytime their name is brought up it gets deleted. I figured it would be a healthy discussion.

I feel like I just went on to a traveling bible salesman forums and cussed..

 

[cjsparky]

db366;773325 wrote: To be honest, I could care less either way. This has pretty much turned into the most retarded thread of the month.. I might has well posted asking to buy a Rhizo...

db it's all good! Some of us like a lively debate here Apologies for hijacking your thread though...point taken and I will stop posting any new morality posts here.

CJ

 

[grouper therapy]

db366;773325 wrote: To be honest, I could care less either way. This has pretty much turned into the most retarded thread of the month.. I might has well posted asking to buy a Rhizo... Whatever though, everyone can argue out how wrong it is like it's going to change the minds of those that would say otherwise.

How did it go from a powerhead to apple to fruit to cell phones. It wasn't even about the morals of them stealing a design it was about just maybe some competition getting in and forcing the cost of Vortechs down. Ecotech has been so adamant about enforcing the MAP and not allowing group buys or anything of that nature it has gotten annoying. Since they are sponsors of most larger forums everytime their name is brought up it gets deleted. I figured it would be a healthy discussion.

I feel like I just went on to a traveling bible salesman forums and cussed..

So what response were you looking for? Only those that agree with you? It's a discussion and in those as you will find out as you gain more life experience that all will not agree with you. While you have the right to express your ideas and thoughts keep in mind that the others who you decided to share that with have their own ideas and thoughts on the subject. Every conversation or discussion here or any where else will not always tickle your ears.
I think it would have been hard to keep the thread going with everyone agreeing with what you said.
+1 , I agree, Me too, is pretty boring No?

 

[ripped tide]

I'd like to see someone put ecotech to shame. As much as I love my vortech, I'd like to see a better pump built. I hope some Chinese company (or who ever) make a BETTER pump, that is SILENT, but still uses a similar set up. I have a few ideas... To bad U.S. patent laws will keep me, an American(1/4 native American), from producing a product that is better than the vortech, but based on the same principal.

 

[grouper therapy]

Ripped Tide;773339 wrote: I'd like to see someone put ecotech to shame. As much as I love my vortech, I'd like to see a better pump built. I hope some Chinese company (or who ever) make a BETTER pump, that is SILENT, but still uses a similar set up. I have a few ideas... To bad U.S. patent laws will keep me, an American(1/4 native American), from producing a product that is better than the vortech, but based on the same principal.

You can tell me about