Ocellaris clown hosting something weird?

[curtismaximus]

Declanisadog;932357 wrote: Who's on first?

Doesn't matter. Its not describing who is on first. Its describing the relationship between the two.

 

[declanisadog]

No no no...What's on second?


Sorry, that was my stab at humor. I completely understand what you are getting at, i was just implying that this thread seems to be going in circles.

 

[curtismaximus]

Declanisadog;932359 wrote: No no no...What's on second?


Sorry, that was my stab at humor. I completely understand what you are getting at, i was just implying that this thread seems to be going in circles.

Sorry didnt mean to hijack the thread.

I just believe if "hosting" describes both the nem and the fish together, why can't it describe them individually? The nem IS the host but the behavior of the fish is a hosting behavior also.

 

[stacy22]

The host provides nourishment and/or shelter to the other symbiont.

For clownfish and anemones, the anemone is the host. The clownfish is the hosted symbiont.

If a clownfish has a Cryptocaryon</em> infection then the clownfish is the host of the protist that is infecting it.

 

[jdavid]

stacy22;932294 wrote: Yes, it's one of the three types of symbiosis:

1) commensalistic- one organism benefits (clownfish) and the other is basically unaffected (anemone- there is some debate on whether the anemone benefits)

2) mutualistic- both organisms benefit, ie. cleaner wrasse/shrimp and the fish they clean

3) parasitic- one organism benefits (Cryptocaryon</em>) and the other is harmed (fish)


"Symbiosis" is the general term that means two organisms living in/on the other in close association.

I lean towards mutualistic. When I feed the tank, the female first grabs the largest chunk of food she can find and puts it on the anemone, then eats herself.

Of course keeping the anemone healthy is beneficial to the clownfish, but it's still mutualism. Whether this occurs in the wild or not I can not say.

I've also read before that the clownfish will fan the anemone with its fins, which supposedly helps with the oxygen levels benefitting the anemone somehow. I need to look into that one some more.

Edit: Here ya go

 

[j_b_]

The anemone hosts, and the clowns inhabit...because the clowns cannot host and the anemone cannot inhabit...done! «dusts off hands»

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[stacy22]

JDavid;932408 wrote: I lean towards mutualistic. When I feed the tank, the female first grabs the largest chunk of food she can find and puts it on the anemone, then eats herself.

Of course keeping the anemone healthy is beneficial to the clownfish, but it's still mutualism. Whether this occurs in the wild or not I can not say.

I've also read before that the clownfish will fan the anemone with its fins, which supposedly helps with the oxygen levels benefitting the anemone somehow. I need to look into that one some more.

Edit: Here ya go
http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/21601006">http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/21601006</a>[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that's why I said that there is some debate about whether the clowns/anemone relationship is mutualistic or commensalistic. An anemone can live perfectly fine without hosting a fish in the ocean. However, the clownfish would quickly be dinner without the anemone.

In our tanks the clowns don't need a host, unless a dumba$$ human puts them in a tank with a predator. :doh:

 

[y-not]

If I were to just hang around a store and never purchase anything or providing any benefit to the store, it would be called loitering.

I say that the clown is just loitering and the anemone just does not care enough to kick him out.

 

[jennm]

I don't know...








THIRD BASE! :lol:

 

[mikesmith34]

Circular regressive

 

[declanisadog]

stacy22;932430 wrote: Yeah, that's why I said that there is some debate about whether the clowns/anemone relationship is mutualistic or commensalistic. An anemone can live perfectly fine without hosting a fish in the ocean. However, the clownfish would quickly be dinner without the anemone.

In our tanks the clowns don't need a host, unless a dumba$$ human puts them in a tank with a predator. :doh:

<span style="font-family: Calibri"><span style="font-size: 13px"> </span></span>
<span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: Verdana">Though this is true, clownfish also enable anemones to live in stagnant waters that they normal would not be able to survive in (allegedly). </span></span>
<span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: Verdana"></span></span>
<span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: Verdana">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/01/clownfish-sea-anemone-wiggle-dance_n_2789711.html">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/01/clownfish-sea-anemone-wiggle-dance_n_2789711.html</a></span></span>

Edit: [QUOTE=][B]JennM;932449 wrote:[/B] I don't know...








THIRD BASE! :lol:[/QUOTE]
haha

 

[jdavid]

But what is the clownfish doing

 

[declanisadog]

JDavid;932523 wrote: But what is the clownfish doing

Living, being a fish, and INHABITING an anemone

 

[jdavid]

Right, I get that, and it makes perfect sense..

.. But what do you call it when it does that?




Kidding.

 

[declanisadog]

You suck josh

 

[jdavid]

 

[curtismaximus]

JDavid;932526 wrote: Right, I get that, and it makes perfect sense..

.. But what do you call it when it does that?




Kidding.

Hosting behavior... :fish: