I'm with you, that's why I asked that the thread be closed in Post #6. This forum can be pretty ridiculous, people are SO quick to type things they would NEVER say in a face-to-face discussion.
Red Bugs, Interceptor Rx
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I'm with you, that's why I asked that the thread be closed in Post #6. This forum can be pretty ridiculous, people are SO quick to type things they would NEVER say in a face-to-face discussion.
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How was he jumped for getting interceptor from his vet? I didnt see that happen anywhere. Dustin did the exact proper thing by going about it that way. As far as I can see, the disagreement came from claims he made about other aspects of interceptor (its labelled and legal usages for being prescribed) and other medications. As far as interceptor, Dustin claim with this thread is that he's telling peoiple:
No one is disclaiming or criticizing that.
I showed this thread to a Pharmacist, a Veterinarian, and a SC state DEA agent.
All grabbed their books and researched the brand name, and proper name and cross referenced it for other uses.
Oddly enough, there were positive results for this product against other illnesses, maladies, and disease that are not 'on label' per se.
Sounds to me like the vet may have done the same, and came to the conclusion that if it worked against similar species of 'bugs', it would work on redbugs. Research is always ongoing, only HUMAN clinical trials prevent the off label use, domestic and captive animals fall under a different realm and rules.
Not to say that there may not be an inquiry as to the WHY the vet prescribed, If the vet's knowledge or research supports the usage, the entire veterinary community will want to read about it in a periodical or paper.
Assuming too quickly can backfire, there is a great deal of information that we as 'consumers' are not privy to as it's still undergoing research.
All grabbed their books and researched the brand name, and proper name and cross referenced it for other uses.
Oddly enough, there were positive results for this product against other illnesses, maladies, and disease that are not 'on label' per se.
Sounds to me like the vet may have done the same, and came to the conclusion that if it worked against similar species of 'bugs', it would work on redbugs. Research is always ongoing, only HUMAN clinical trials prevent the off label use, domestic and captive animals fall under a different realm and rules.
Not to say that there may not be an inquiry as to the WHY the vet prescribed, If the vet's knowledge or research supports the usage, the entire veterinary community will want to read about it in a periodical or paper.
Assuming too quickly can backfire, there is a great deal of information that we as 'consumers' are not privy to as it's still undergoing research.
I should emphasize that it is not common to prescribe off label, but the rules are a little more open for domestic and captive animals, as long as they will NOT enter the human consumption food chain.
not enough coffee, and hayfever... arrrgh.
Ok.. I got to jump in this when it comes down to "Off Label"
I have a Dr. that had rxed me meds that were for off label usage they werent not so bad or far off of what they were meant to do...
I have also heard of Drs. rxing Seroquel to people for SLEEP.. if you have no idea what that it is..your prolly better off.. But its used to treat Bi Polar Disorder and Paranoid Schizophrenia.. Does that sound like something that should be used Off Label for sleep..
I have a Dr. that had rxed me meds that were for off label usage they werent not so bad or far off of what they were meant to do...
I have also heard of Drs. rxing Seroquel to people for SLEEP.. if you have no idea what that it is..your prolly better off.. But its used to treat Bi Polar Disorder and Paranoid Schizophrenia.. Does that sound like something that should be used Off Label for sleep..
Outside of non label use, a risk to Vets selling and/or prescribing Interceptor to us this way is that it does violate the Georgia Veterinary code. There has to be an existing "veterinarian-client-patient" relationship.
What that boils down to, as told to me by my Veterinarian and two other Vets at the clinic I use for my pets, is that in Georgia a Veterinarian cannot prescribe or distribute any drugs without seeing (examining) the animal in question.
In Georgia (and probably every other state) a Veterinarian cannot prescibe medication for an animal (patient) based soley on the words of the owner (client).
I take my dog to the Vet, the Vet examines it, and prescribes medications as needed based on their exam findings. That fulfills the requirements for an existing Vet-client-patient relationship for receiving meds from my Vet.
Me going down to my Vet's office, stating what is wrong with my corals, and receiving Interceptor, does not.
If they do it for us for Redbugs, they do it as a courtesy because the legal risk is all on them.
What that boils down to, as told to me by my Veterinarian and two other Vets at the clinic I use for my pets, is that in Georgia a Veterinarian cannot prescribe or distribute any drugs without seeing (examining) the animal in question.
In Georgia (and probably every other state) a Veterinarian cannot prescibe medication for an animal (patient) based soley on the words of the owner (client).
I take my dog to the Vet, the Vet examines it, and prescribes medications as needed based on their exam findings. That fulfills the requirements for an existing Vet-client-patient relationship for receiving meds from my Vet.
Me going down to my Vet's office, stating what is wrong with my corals, and receiving Interceptor, does not.
If they do it for us for Redbugs, they do it as a courtesy because the legal risk is all on them.
that's EXACTLY why Drs Foster and Smith and 1800 pet meds will never be able to dispense frontline, heartgard, and all the other meds common for use.
Sorry, ain't buying that argument. If it's illegal, why are they allowed to ship to GA addresses?
Sorry, ain't buying that argument. If it's illegal, why are they allowed to ship to GA addresses?
You need a prescription from your Vet to buy your Dog's meds from FosterSmith, 1-800 PetMeds. etc.
They are only are filling the prescription like a pharmacy, dispensing the medicine, as you said.
Your Vet has still examined the animal and prescribed the medicine. Mail order suppliers are only the source of the medication. Your Vet is the one that examined the animal and prescribed the medicine based on their exam findings.
You do not call up PetMeds and FosterSmith and tell them you want some Heartgard and they sent it to you. Your prescription shows that the animal has been examined.
FosterSmith etc are not prescribing the medicine to your pet. They are only dispensing it based on the prescription from your Veterinarian.
Make sense?
I bow down to Jeremy, he found a loophole that allows penicillin to be bought without a prescription (farm use mixtures, not for human consumption). Even though the FDA clearly regulates the antibiotic as a prescription drug, he's right about that one. You can buy it at ag stores.
I was wrong (technically)!
Jeremy, you feel better?
-Dustin
Quoted from the 1800PetMeds website you mentioned in your original post:
http://www.1800petmeds.com/newcustomer.jsp">http://www.1800petmeds.com/newcustomer.jsp</a>
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[B]2. How do I order prescription (Rx) medications?[/B]
Simply place the order, provide us with your veterinarian's information and we will obtain authorization free of charge. Or, you may place the order and mail your pet's prescription to:
1-800-PetMeds
1441 SW 29th Avenue
Pompano Beach, Florida 33069
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From FosterSmith website:
[IMG]http://www.drsfostersmith.com/General.cfm?c=9547&gid=196">http://www.drsfostersmith.com/General.cfm?c=9547&gid=196</a>
[IMG]http://javascript:void(0)">[IMG]http://a1272.g.akamai.net/7/1272/1121/20080310150239/www.drsfostersmith.com/images/general/rx-how-to-order-1.gif" alt="" /></a>[B]Place your pet's prescription order online,
or call us at 1-800-447-3021.[/B][IMG]http://javascript:void(0)">[IMG]http://a1272.g.akamai.net/7/1272/1121/20080310150242/www.drsfostersmith.com/images/general/rx-how-to-order-2.gif" alt="" /></a>[B]During checkout, let us know how we will
receive your pet's prescription. [/B][IMG]http://javascript:void(0)">[IMG]http://a1272.g.akamai.net/7/1272/1121/20080310150244/www.drsfostersmith.com/images/general/rx-how-to-order-3.gif" alt="" /></a>[B]Done! We will send you an email when your
pet's prescription has been processed & shipped[/B]
Here's your own quoted websites stating you need a prescription to order Rx meds. Good enough?
Dave
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I had tried this online ordering and gave a different vet than the one I use and was still sent the meds. So they do not check anything.
Going waaayyy back to my original post, I have an update for you guys on the Interceptor in my tank. I dosed a quarter tablet today around 1pm, and it's now 7:30pm and I cannot for the life of me find a single red bug on any of my SPS corals. That's pretty amazing, seeing as how earlier today the underside of my blue acro (for example) looked like a red bug metropolis. They were ALL OVER IT!
Now, nothing. I love this stuff.
I bought a phosban reactor from Tim @ Keen Reef and it's now setup with carbon and ready to go. I have a fresh 25% water change lined up as well.
Annnnnndd, from what I can tell, all of my hermits made it without harm. Not sure how they will handle the 2nd and 3rd treatment, but so far so good.
-Dustin
Now, nothing. I love this stuff.
I bought a phosban reactor from Tim @ Keen Reef and it's now setup with carbon and ready to go. I have a fresh 25% water change lined up as well.
Annnnnndd, from what I can tell, all of my hermits made it without harm. Not sure how they will handle the 2nd and 3rd treatment, but so far so good.
-Dustin
well seroquel is now bin shown to give people tipe 1 diabetes
"engineer" shouldn't be associated with anyone who can't spell
i am dislexic thanks
